About damage essences in Delubrum/Dalriada

[Goji1639]

Cherry pick your responses more? People have already argued back your questionable math™ by pointing out that you waste 10 minutes of your time for a run to end 1 minute earlier, but if all 23 people waste 10 mins of their time so that the raid ends 1 minute earlier, it ends 24 minutes earlier vs your 10 minute investment. It's a cumulative effort reward.

By your same logic, why use buffs like Brotherhood which only add 1k to your 20k DPS and completely ignore the fact that the 5% increase for your other 7 party members does make a significant DPS difference.

I'm not cherry picking; I'm responding to everything and I've already responded to that point. "If all 23 people" is a moot observation; my using an essence doesn't affect what the other 23 people do, it only affects my output. I'm 1/24th of the raid and Skirmisher increases ONLY my output by 20%, so the improvement on the run doesn't make up for the time farming.

The cumulative effort gain is only valid in a situation like PF; where the cumulative effort is a prerequisite. Farming essences for DF, however, is always a waste of time.

You can perform all the mental gymnastics that you want, but that doesn't change the fact that not using an essence is less beneficial than using one. You aren't making a run worse, but you aren't making it better either. If you aren't willing to put in the effort that others are, don't expect them to respond positively.

If people want to think it's lazy and be all mad about it then that's their thing, I don't really care.

If you're going to tell me farming is more efficient for relic hunters, however, then step up with more than teary eyed wailings of the word leech. I've provided the logic and math for my position, and addressed the counterpoints.

idk why you're all trying to get him to change his opinion when he was already proven wrong in the last DR/essence thread and 'defended' his questionable logic and maths over several pages until no one bothered anymore, it's literally just the same argument again
should've ended when the troll called the rational, logical person a troll because his feefees are hurt when people disagree /shrug

Eh, it's the same as the other thread in that it's basically just a few of you who can't/won't address my counterpoints, but feel like you need to keep going because you don't want to accept I'm right. So, you keep making non-responses and patting each other on the back. These last 2 non-responses I've quoted here are good examples.

[Vahlnir]

I'm not cherry picking; I'm responding to everything and I've already responded to that point. "If all 23 people" is a moot observation; my using an essence doesn't affect what the other 23 people do, it only affects my output. I'm 1/24th of the raid and Skirmisher increases ONLY my output by 20%, so the improvement on the run doesn't make up for the time farming.

The cumulative effort gain is only valid in a situation like PF; where the cumulative effort is a prerequisite. Farming essences for DF, however, is always a waste of time.

You can perform all the mental gymnastics that you want, but that doesn't change the fact that not using an essence is less beneficial than using one. You aren't making a run worse, but you aren't making it better either. If you aren't willing to put in the effort that others are, don't expect them to respond positively.

[lezard21]

I've walked you all through the technicals of why that's the case,

What technicals? The "using essence only saves 1 minute" number that you pulled out of your hat? How did you verify and prove this?

my using an essence doesn't affect what the other 23 people do, it only affects my output.

Essence? Yes, it only affects your output.

But Lost Actions can affect the output of the rest of the raid, immensely, particularly Lost Rend Armor. 2 people out of 24 can keep it constantly up if they alternate uses, the equivalent of constant Trick Attack upkeep, which is huge. I was just in a pug DR where I was the only one using Rend Armor and the Queen died in less than 5 minutes, with party having suboptimal essences like Beast and Bloodsucker.

And there are no excuses why people don't carry it now with the nerf to fragments cost. Literally 10 minutes of killing magitek in a party for 10~ clusters can net you 4-6 Lost Rend Armor, and the other times you are getting Pure Essence of the Duelist which is better than Skirmisher, and can be combined with Honored Sacrifice for more DPS with no penalty.

There is no "grind" excuse anymore to be a freeloader.

[Fland]

Essence? Yes, it only affects your output.

Some essences can be combined with specific lost action that can affect your party. Like Elder and Cure IV for the AOE Bravery.
So not all essences affect only the user's output.

My entire point has been that farming essences for DF is a waste of time, and I'm 100% correct.

No you're not.