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    Player Goji1639's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by lezard21 View Post
    Cherry pick your responses more? People have already argued back your questionable math™ by pointing out that you waste 10 minutes of your time for a run to end 1 minute earlier, but if all 23 people waste 10 mins of their time so that the raid ends 1 minute earlier, it ends 24 minutes earlier vs your 10 minute investment. It's a cumulative effort reward.

    By your same logic, why use buffs like Brotherhood which only add 1k to your 20k DPS and completely ignore the fact that the 5% increase for your other 7 party members does make a significant DPS difference.
    I'm not cherry picking; I'm responding to everything and I've already responded to that point. "If all 23 people" is a moot observation; my using an essence doesn't affect what the other 23 people do, it only affects my output. I'm 1/24th of the raid and Skirmisher increases ONLY my output by 20%, so the improvement on the run doesn't make up for the time farming.

    The cumulative effort gain is only valid in a situation like PF; where the cumulative effort is a prerequisite. Farming essences for DF, however, is always a waste of time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    You can perform all the mental gymnastics that you want, but that doesn't change the fact that not using an essence is less beneficial than using one. You aren't making a run worse, but you aren't making it better either. If you aren't willing to put in the effort that others are, don't expect them to respond positively.
    If people want to think it's lazy and be all mad about it then that's their thing, I don't really care.

    If you're going to tell me farming is more efficient for relic hunters, however, then step up with more than teary eyed wailings of the word leech. I've provided the logic and math for my position, and addressed the counterpoints.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rinhi View Post
    idk why you're all trying to get him to change his opinion when he was already proven wrong in the last DR/essence thread and 'defended' his questionable logic and maths over several pages until no one bothered anymore, it's literally just the same argument again
    should've ended when the troll called the rational, logical person a troll because his feefees are hurt when people disagree /shrug
    Eh, it's the same as the other thread in that it's basically just a few of you who can't/won't address my counterpoints, but feel like you need to keep going because you don't want to accept I'm right. So, you keep making non-responses and patting each other on the back. These last 2 non-responses I've quoted here are good examples.
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    Last edited by Goji1639; 06-25-2021 at 10:14 AM.