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    gee I don't check for a day and it goes 5 pages of useless fights.
    Ok so, again I see the point against essences cause expensive and consumables and rng and yadda yadda (I use them myself but if others don't eh), but those people who don't wanna use essences for those reasons, are you at least grinding honors? Cause those are not RNG and permanent and increase your damage loads. Every time I see a rank 25 without them, or even someone who refuses to get to 25 for them I cry. I wouldn't ask anybody to spend time or money for consumables, but for a permanent boost, not doing that is grieving imho. And it saddens me that people are all about essences and then go in without valor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlamila View Post
    gee I don't check for a day and it goes 5 pages of useless fights.
    Ok so, again I see the point against essences cause expensive and consumables and rng and yadda yadda (I use them myself but if others don't eh), but those people who don't wanna use essences for those reasons, are you at least grinding honors? Cause those are not RNG and permanent and increase your damage loads. Every time I see a rank 25 without them, or even someone who refuses to get to 25 for them I cry. I wouldn't ask anybody to spend time or money for consumables, but for a permanent boost, not doing that is grieving imho. And it saddens me that people are all about essences and then go in without valor.
    Well I already know what the response to this would be "Does this get done while I'm doing my relic farm?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlamila View Post
    gee I don't check for a day and it goes 5 pages of useless fights.
    Ok so, again I see the point against essences cause expensive and consumables and rng and yadda yadda (I use them myself but if others don't eh), but those people who don't wanna use essences for those reasons, are you at least grinding honors? Cause those are not RNG and permanent and increase your damage loads. Every time I see a rank 25 without them, or even someone who refuses to get to 25 for them I cry. I wouldn't ask anybody to spend time or money for consumables, but for a permanent boost, not doing that is grieving imho. And it saddens me that people are all about essences and then go in without valor.
    If people aren't going out of their way to even bother grinding or using essences I can guarantee you they aren't going out of their way to grind valor. Whether the buffs are permanent or not, and whether the drops of the essence are RNG or not. you can get essence a damn sight faster than you can valor. If people aren't spending mettle that's 1 thing, but expecting people to grind out valor, and trying to see the point of not grinding essence in that same vein is comedic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    If people aren't going out of their way to even bother grinding or using essences I can guarantee you they aren't going out of their way to grind valor. Whether the buffs are permanent or not, and whether the drops of the essence are RNG or not. you can get essence a damn sight faster than you can valor. If people aren't spending mettle that's 1 thing, but expecting people to grind out valor, and trying to see the point of not grinding essence in that same vein is comedic
    The being permanent is a huge difference though. You're gonna have to grind/buy essences the whole time you're doing relics, one or more per run of anything you run, idk if anyone ever did the math but I certainly don't want to. The time to farm that all (or the time to farm the money to buy it) is way more than grinding valor takes. , unless you're only doing one relic or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlamila View Post
    The being permanent is a huge difference though. You're gonna have to grind/buy essences the whole time you're doing relics, one or more per run of anything you run, idk if anyone ever did the math but I certainly don't want to. The time to farm that all (or the time to farm the money to buy it) is way more than grinding valor takes. , unless you're only doing one relic or something.
    The whole it being permanent is a big enticement, which is why you should spend the mettle if you have it - But I don't think it's feasible for people to go out of their way to grind it, especially when you can get any damage boosting essence a lot faster than you otherwise can get the valor, and that is taking into account sufficient essences for the number of Delubrum runs you'd be doing, which is upwards to 128 runs.

    I can at least say that doing CLL is just as good as doing the 24 man ARR raids, and you don't get from one castrum to the next instantly. The time between castrum runs is time you can spend joining a cluster farm group, or a farm for skill frags to get Martialist/Aetherweaver, and given how many clusters it is for a fragment now you can get a lot more than you're predicting between Castrum runs. People seem to be under the impression that farming essences take millennia; when it doesn't if you at least exercise the brain a little.

    I'm not saying they fall from the sky or anything, nor do I really defend the scaling DR to essence use because I disagree with that approach vehemently after seeing how the majority of the community has taken to it. - But people are seriously overestimating the effort/time needed to get essences. Even in bulk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlamila View Post
    The being permanent is a huge difference though. You're gonna have to grind/buy essences the whole time you're doing relics, one or more per run of anything you run, idk if anyone ever did the math but I certainly don't want to. The time to farm that all (or the time to farm the money to buy it) is way more than grinding valor takes. , unless you're only doing one relic or something.
    The castrum fragment buff now is what I call a DR starter pack. Personally they should have added timeworn step and/or the last step to Castrum drops. Would have been a double win.
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