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  1. #61
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    Shialan's Avatar
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    Shinon Hisae
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    Shiva
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    Sage Lv 91
    Just remove everything mentor. Most of them don't even bother to actually mentor and the NN is also more often than not just a massive troll cave.
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  2. #62
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    Van Arn
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    Goblin
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    Just remove everything mentor. Most of them don't even bother to actually mentor and the NN is also more often than not just a massive troll cave.
    They certainly could do this. NN is a lot more valuable to new players than you realize, though, even if for only social reasons.

    If we delete the whole system, though, I’ll finally stop seeing these asinine threads about how it’s the sovereign duty of a Burger King crown to carry little sprouts through the endgame(s) of this game without needing to do any of their own preparation, and that’s perfectly fine to me.

    Go ahead, throw it all under the bus because many people see a 30 minute penalty preferable to an extreme duty lockout timer.
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    Last edited by van_arn; 06-23-2021 at 03:24 AM.

  3. #63
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    Derio Uzumaki
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    My thing is EX trials should not be in Mentor Roulette. Even with Echo, one lockout is usally not enough to explain the mechanics. I dont blame mentors for leaving EX trials after telling users to use pf.

    The real question is does SE consider EX trials normal content?
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  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    My thing is EX trials should not be in Mentor Roulette. Even with Echo, one lockout is usally not enough to explain the mechanics. I dont blame mentors for leaving EX trials after telling users to use pf.

    The real question is does SE consider EX trials normal content?
    Shinryu ex was described as designed comparable to the difficulty of a savage encounter between floors 2 & 3, so we know extremes are not considered normal content.
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    Last edited by van_arn; 06-23-2021 at 04:04 AM.

  5. #65
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    Caur Kagon
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    Siren
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    My thing is EX trials should not be in Mentor Roulette. Even with Echo, one lockout is usally not enough to explain the mechanics. I dont blame mentors for leaving EX trials after telling users to use pf.

    The real question is does SE consider EX trials normal content?
    More than few HW EX trials were comparable to Savage, see Thordan, Nidhogg and Sephirot EX. The aforementioned Shinryu in SB. Even the easier ones take a higher level of execution than you can expect in DF.
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  6. #66
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    Mr Magic
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    Ravana
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Sounds like the system is working as is. If you want to stay and tutor an Extreme, stay. If you don't, leave and eat the penalty. This caters for both sides and I don't see the need to extend the timer. If the new players have people leave on them and waste their time queuing then they should learn to use Party Finder. Sounds like the Mentors willing to teach would join that anyway.

    One week lockout? I mean come on.
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  7. #67
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    Baxcel Farshot
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caurcas View Post
    More than few HW EX trials were comparable to Savage, see Thordan, Nidhogg and Sephirot EX. The aforementioned Shinryu in SB. Even the easier ones take a higher level of execution than you can expect in DF.
    I've cleared Throdin Ex synced with sprouts and a missing dps mentor who bailed early one.. only took us about 45min maybe less.. honestly they should make the lockout penalty for mentors who bail the time that would be remaining in the instance they left.. for 90min Ex.. you get a 90min lockout for leaving.
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  8. #68
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    My solution: Make synced extreme trials/savages opt in instead of the default in duty finder.
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  9. #69
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    Absenthine Starfrost
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    Faerie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anhra View Post
    A Mentor that isn't capable of doing old content synced, shouldn't be a Mentor in the first place. I think abandoning one such duty should be punished by having the Mentor status removed for a limited time (1 week for leave, then +1 day added for every leave that follows).
    Really? Do you really think that? Do you think it's possible for someone to remember every single fight in this game front to back? If they get into a party and they try their best but the dps/skill is not there, is that their fault?
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  10. #70
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    Sturm Churro
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    Marilith
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ZedxKayn View Post
    And queueing for synced ex trials shouldn't be an expected behavior from anyone, yet here we are.

    Doing EX and harder content in general requires a specific mindset lv50 sprouts are unlikely to have yet, I wouldn't blame anyone for dropping on sight, it's a flaw in the game's design to still have quests telling people who are still very new to use DF for ARR EXs.
    In my opinion, the flaw is with the mindset some mentors may have (not saying you or anyone here specifically, this is in general), where they want to earn their mentor rewards while putting in as little effort as possible. Does the JP community not use the DF for this sort of content?

    What needs to happen is actually all rewards removed from mentorship, including the crown, even better would be the closure of the system entirely.
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 06-23-2021 at 02:07 PM.
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