WoW devs sent a congrats card to the FF14 team

[Vahlnir]

SE buys Sega and forces them to make HQ Sonic games again.

I'd be perfectly fine with this arrangement. I miss having good Sonic games.

[Caurcas]

Some studios just slowly wither, either through loss of talent, loss of vision, or just the general entropy of things. No need to relish and revel in it, just look and go on about your way. On topic, this was a nice (if fishing for pr) thing.

[linayar]

I mean there's nothing surprising about any of this. WoW playerbase leans more towards people on their 30s-40s whereas FFXIV's demographic consists mostly of kids and teens, and kids and teens love to engage in "Team Jacob vs Team Edward" arguments that the rest of the world simply don't care about.

Ever heard of Alliance vs Horde or pro-Sylvanas vs anti-Sylvanas?

But Haruka isn't wrong. WoW is living rent free in OP's head.

Assuming they've played WoW for a long time, it's understandable. They've probably spent lots of money on it (or time spent farming gold to buy tokens).

That's because game development takes more than months. That content has probably been in the pipeline since before the WoW expansion launched, or shortly thereafter. That's why it usually takes until the end of an expansion to "fix" it. The real problem for WoW is that the community has no trust in the devs and isn't willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. It just seems like there is an aura of negativity that infects everything in the game.

There are lots of things in FFXIV that have taken a long time to fix or for them to respond, but because the playerbase is more forgiving and understanding on the most part, it doesn't negatively affect the game as much.

I don't really see much of a difference. In both communities, unless they're getting exactly what they want, they will always complain.

The thing is, FFXIV has the advantage of not changing things drastically often, so the community has been trained to either not expect drastic change, or to expect them in slow measures. WoW seemingly keeps trying to reinvent itself often, so when people don't like those changes, the community has been trained to want things to change again (usually change back) to get what they want.

Don’t really get the constant double standards in regards to the WoW vs 14 where WoW is always the bad one and 14 is the holy child.

Not really seeing a double standard in a FFXIV forum. More people are likely to prefer FFXIV here. It'd be weird if that's not the case.

So hear me out.

Sure...

4. You know how we never see the other side of Azeroth!??! Well we also never see the other side of Eorzea. The cross over is LITERALLY crossing to the other side of the planet!

... No!

Definitely no more cross overs that span the entire expansion, taking the place of content that is Final Fantasy. Events are free game!

I disagree. All contents in FFXIV are Final Fantasy contents. And the devs should not be restricted creatively with whatever collaboration they want to do. They just need to make it work if they want to be ambitious about the scope of the collaboration. And I personally think the Yorha series still works within the context of the FFXIV, although the ending could be better.

For a WoW collaboration, what's the one thing that WoW is primarily known for: their raids. I think a single alliance-size raid (like DR) would be good. Obviously, this wouldn't have to span the entire expansion, but if they wanted to, and seeing as how much of a fan Yoshida is of Blizzard, they could make it another series. Just get a more straightforward storyteller to do it.

I was ready to hear you out until I read #1. Now all I have to say is "hard pass".

Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing it just to get the chance of letting Yoshida have a better budget for FFXIV. That said, that would probably kill off DQX and FFXI as I don't think A-B would want to have four running MMORPGs. It might also kill off FFXIV if even two are too much for them.

[Darksummoner]

Upon thinking about it I share your opinion. Seeing how they are losing their everything right now. Tho I still kindof want one.. maybe only cause I like crossovers. - A comicbook fan so yeah- Maybe if SE was in charge of the whole thing. Kindof like how Capcom did the Vs series in the late 90s.

I wouldn't mind so much if the developers would pay more attention to their player base. But Blizzard has a huge reputation for ignoring their player base and trying to make their players do things that most of them have shown and said they hate. Blizzard to me is only out for the money and simply want to keep the player logged into their game hours to do boring systems. 18 years they had to get it right and are barely just now trying to listen to their players but only cause a huge influx of players have left the game.

[Gameovers]

Don’t really get the constant double standards in regards to the WoW vs 14 where WoW is always the bad one and 14 is the holy child.

To be fair, Look at all the people leaving WoW now tho. I'm not saying XIV is perfect and is always the good one... but in this context it really is. WoW is suffering hardcore and Blizzard as a whole has been suffering since " Do you not have phones? ". XIV meanwhile has been growing and gaining - imo- WAY too much attention. I do wish XIV added more raid bosses, but other than that I can't think of anything Wow has that I'd want in XIV. I seen too many people complain about Blizzard's change for the sake of change and messing up systems over there to ask for anything they have to be put here.

I currently like what XIV has and am grateful they don't follow Blizzard throw everything at the wall and NOT fix it additude. D:

[KizuyaKatogami]

To be fair, Look at all the people leaving WoW now tho. I'm not saying XIV is perfect and is always the good one... but in this context it really is. WoW is suffering hardcore and Blizzard as a whole has been suffering since " Do you not have phones? ". XIV meanwhile has been growing and gaining - imo- WAY too much attention. I do wish XIV added more raid bosses, but other than that I can't think of anything Wow has that I'd want in XIV. I seen too many people complain about Blizzard's change for the sake of change and messing up systems over there to ask for anything they have to be put here.

I currently like what XIV has and am grateful they don't follow Blizzard throw everything at the wall and NOT fix it additude. D:

I mean, the thing is there’s no other good mmo’s at this time, so ofc 14 is going to shine when the other big competitor starts to go downhill, but i’d argue 14 has almost as much problems as WoW, people are just more lenient on 14 because they’re fine being spoonfed things. Sometimes change is good. I see people talking about how 14 rarely changes anything drastically or quick. That can be a bad thing too. Just look at the crappy housing system that hasn’t been looked at in 6 years. I’d say that could certainly use some drastic change...

[Liam_Harper]

I mean, the thing is there’s no other good mmo’s at this time, so ofc 14 is going to shine when the other big competitor starts to go downhill, but i’d argue 14 has almost as much problems as WoW

Both games have a lot of problems, but for many, WoW's problems are gamebreaking where Blizzard take things that work perfectly well or are a lot of fun and destroy them while doubling down on and refusing to change the things players hate, while FF14's problems are just annoyances, some large, but the game as a whole remains enjoyable.
WoW's team also have an extremely poor history with PR and arrogance. They tend to showcase a "we know best" attitude while ff14's devs give the impression of caring about feedback.

Overall it leads to resentment. People loved WoW. Personally I feel it used to be the better game compared to ff14. Having a dislikable team completely wreck something you loved, sit back with a smug attitude and expect you to pay them for it is naturally going to generate bad feelings.

But you're right there's no amazing mmo on the market right now. There's definitely a good opportunity for competition.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Both games have a lot of problems, but for many, WoW's problems are gamebreaking where Blizzard take things that work perfectly well or are a lot of fun and destroy them while doubling down on and refusing to change the things players hate, while FF14's problems are just annoyances, some large, but the game as a whole remains enjoyable.
WoW's team also have an extremely poor history with PR and arrogance. They tend to showcase a "we know best" attitude while ff14's devs give the impression of caring about feedback.

Overall it leads to resentment. People loved WoW. Personally I feel it used to be the better game compared to ff14. Having a dislikable team completely wreck something you loved, sit back with a smug attitude and expect you to pay them for it is naturally going to generate bad feelings.

But you're right there's no amazing mmo on the market right now. There's definitely a good opportunity for competition.

Yeah, personally i’m really excited for some of the upcoming ones(ashes of creation,blue protocol,pantheon) as they seem to do a lot of things both WoW and 14 haven’t done right in forever. Would be nice to finally have multiple forms of competition as well.

[Gameovers]

Yeah, personally i’m really excited for some of the upcoming ones(ashes of creation,blue protocol,pantheon) as they seem to do a lot of things both WoW and 14 haven’t done right in forever. Would be nice to finally have multiple forms of competition as well.

What do you want them to do? Cause I get the feeling you really don't like XIV at all. Cause anytime someone mentions something good about it you comment with something bad almost instantly. I could be reading it wrong but that's the feeling I'm getting from you. :C

[Goji1639]

But you're right there's no amazing mmo on the market right now. There's definitely a good opportunity for competition.

It's nearly impossible to break into the MMO Market. The content/resource snowballing means it'll be basically impossible for a new MMORPG to offer even a fraction of what an established MMO like WoW can. Then we have the sub model and time investment; which means people will only play 1 MMO at a time, and will be very reluctant to leave whichever MMO they've invested the most time and money into.

It's a weird landscape that makes real competition very rare. It's why the genre has been stilted for so long with the same few dated games controlling the market.