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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arielen View Post
    What's the point of adding rent when there isn't a single server to the best of my knowledge that is 100% out of apartments?
    Op trying to pass it as gil sink. Which wont work as the cost would have to be affordable to all players. That affordability will kill it as a gil sink.
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  2. #52
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    C'erise Vanesse
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    Gil sinks need to target the wealthiest of players (those with 100mil+) to be able to take the most gil out of the game. Chances are, if someone’s got just an apartment, then they’re not part of that subset of wealthiest players. And if they are part of that subset and JUST have an apartment, they likely won’t want to participate in a gil sink.

    Gold sinks in games in general need to be willing/tied to something NEW that players will know they’ll want.

    IE a mount, or a minion, or hair, or a barding, or a subscription token. They need to be a LOT - 20mil+.

    Targetting apartment owners isnt a gil sink - it’s just petty.
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  3. #53
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    I really dislike the thought of punishing the players for the sins of the game maker...
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    "Fanboy is gaming jargon used to describe an individual that has gone beyond the point of being a PC or console game fan and, during online chats or discussions, shifts to defend the program at all costs, unable to take any criticism or acknowledge any shortcomings of the game or gaming console."

  4. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Besame View Post
    I really dislike the thought of punishing the players for the sins of the game maker...
    Then don't look at WoW.....
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  5. #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    Then don't look at WoW.....
    The comment was about SE not any other game, they all have their foibles. I played WoW from Vanilla release for 8 yrs and know it well from those days only.
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    Last edited by Besame; 06-20-2021 at 10:34 PM.
    "Fanboy is gaming jargon used to describe an individual that has gone beyond the point of being a PC or console game fan and, during online chats or discussions, shifts to defend the program at all costs, unable to take any criticism or acknowledge any shortcomings of the game or gaming console."

  6. #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by Besame View Post
    The comment was about SE not any other game, they all have their foibles. I played WoW from Vanilla release for 8 yrs and know it well.
    Then you should also know that (for the most part) the SE dev team are leaps and bounds ahead of where the Blizzard dev team currently is.
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    Idk, first 8 years of wow were still it's glory days.

    I'm still tortu... Erm. Playing it 17 years later. Yeah, beta tester. :/
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  9. #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    Then you should also know that (for the most part) the SE dev team are leaps and bounds ahead of where the Blizzard dev team currently is.
    Someone who quit WoW around the start of MoP would have no idea what a mess the current game is. Heck, I don't know from personal experience either and I was playing until end of Legion. I do know that one of my friends who also plays this game was a dedicated WoW fanboy (would put a WoW patch ahead of expansion release here) and about 3 months ago went "I can't take this anymore", cancelled his WoW subscription then uninstalled the game.

    But then none of that has anything to do with the housing situation here.

    Does the game need more gil sinks? Yes. But if the goal is to increase apartment popularity while reducing demand for houses, attaching a gil sink to apartments would be counterproductive because it would only reduce the demand for apartments. Increasing the cost of something already considered less than desirable by many does not make it more desirable.

    Gil sinks are not "punishment" and it's ridiculous to refer to them as such. The game gives us gil for playing through most content. We in turn decide how we want to spend it. Either we're willing to pay the price to get the optional item being offered, or we don't. There is no punishment involved.
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  10. #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Someone who quit WoW around the start of MoP would have no idea what a mess the current game is. Heck, I don't know from personal experience either and I was playing until end of Legion. I do know that one of my friends who also plays this game was a dedicated WoW fanboy (would put a WoW patch ahead of expansion release here) and about 3 months ago went "I can't take this anymore", cancelled his WoW subscription then uninstalled the game.

    But then none of that has anything to do with the housing situation here.

    Does the game need more gil sinks? Yes. But if the goal is to increase apartment popularity while reducing demand for houses, attaching a gil sink to apartments would be counterproductive because it would only reduce the demand for apartments. Increasing the cost of something already considered less than desirable by many does not make it more desirable.

    Gil sinks are not "punishment" and it's ridiculous to refer to them as such. The game gives us gil for playing through most content. We in turn decide how we want to spend it. Either we're willing to pay the price to get the optional item being offered, or we don't. There is no punishment involved.
    They're punishments when implemented poorly.

    I feel rent on apartments is poorly implemented.

    They'd have to start charging rent for houses too or it wouldn't be fair.

    I, for one, wouldn't pay it on principle, and let my apartment lapse.

    If they want to make apartments more attractive, adding balconies or terraces or even penthouses with outdoor areas would be a good start. Price accordingly. I have a ton of outdoor furniture my retainers keep bringing me that I can't use.
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  11. #60
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    Toki Tsuchimi
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    I haven't read all of the comments, but some people do know that not all apartments are rented right? You can own an apartment just like a house. Its actually common in many areas with limited space or for wealthy individuals.
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    I like helping people with their Job ideas, it's fun to help them visuallize and create the job they'd like to play most. Plus I make my own too, I'll post them eventually.

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