The great streamer Asmongold is joining FFXIV

[ScarboroughFairy]

Sneep

It's your last post, so I won't push further and respect your decision not to continue the discussion save for this.

There was plenty of emotional pull, it just wasn't from the Scions. This expansion turned what was otherwise mustache-twirling blackguards into mildly sympathetic characters. There's no way to condone genocide, of course, but it made you understand what they were trying to accomplish. They want to save their world the same way the WoL did. This isn't my point, though, this is in response to yours regarding emotional pull.

As for Y'shtola being plucked from the Lifestream a second time, I would've sworn they addressed why she didn't have any adverse effects that time through dialogue, but I'll have to go and recheck. That's actually a solid point.

The Exarch not truly dying isn't a plothole. Again, they used a well-established plot device from ARR and they've demonstrated that anybody can do it with the right resources. A dark crystal or something similar.

Shadowbringers is still quite dark even without character death--way darker compared to the rest of the expansions. Tesleen's transformation, Vauthry making Kai-Shirr flay himself to feed Sin Eaters, the inhabitants of the slums of Kholusia being fed the previous inhabitants of Eulmore who became Sin Eaters so that Vauthry had a wider range of enthrallment over them over time, the WoL slowly dying through the latter half of the expansion, the WoL and the rest of the Scions actually dying if they didn't go to the First thanks to Urianger's vision. These are just a few examples.

Lastly, in regards to the Exarch, you are quite literally his favorite superhero. He tells you as much throughout the story and it's not so farfetched that, in what he thought was to be his final moments, he wanted to spend those last few moments with you because he resigned himself to dying. You can call it an annoying fanboy moment, that's fine, but the fact that he went through hell and high water to save you by getting you to the First and then took the time to express how important you are to them is, yeah, a soft moment that added a lot to his character development. No one else went through the lengths he did. I'll level with you in that I don't actually mind character death--it does add some interesting new dynamics to a story, but it's not always necessary. Other than that, we'll agree to disagree.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Oh I know the original concept. Still doesn't change the finished product though.

When did I mention it did? Rofl

[Gameovers]

When did I mention it did? Rofl

Zanarkand Ronso lives life.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

When did I mention it did? Rofl

I never said you did? I was just making a statement.

[Kozh]

Who died in 15? I'm not counting the ending cause.... thats the ending. OOOH That one girl. That's who died. Can we count that? She impacts the story yes.. but as you can see.. I forgot about that.

Uh yes we can? Her death clearly has the biggest impact on story, so yeah it is important. Why should we not count that just because you don't care?

And why is it matter either if they died in ending or earlier? I really don't get your logic at all. Btw, yes the main character really died if you exclude the novel (which is so heavily retconned and more of a what-if scenario). It is not debatable.

[BlitzAceRush]

One thing I don't think was mentioned, the 7 Warriors Graha summons at the end of 5.0, it's never stated how "much" of them he summons and from 5.3 we see you can get away with very little, we don't know at what point you go from looking like the Scions to the light shades, so it may not have been as demanding a task for him given how had hard it was for him to get us over fully, and how they're just gone after the fight, it's more likely he just managed a very partial summoning, more akin to 5.3.

As for the actual topic, good for him, I play several MMO's though 14's my main, hope he enjoys himself.

[linayar]

Yes, and many could probably come to the conclusion that the FFXIV community isn't necessarily a "great community". On the surface some might think that it is, due to how ToS enforcement is handled, but this is just people getting banned and/or having a some self-control. One could say it only resembles a "great" community, because players are afraid of getting banned, and instead act passive-aggressively in-game, and show their true colors third-party.

A great community usually does have a healthy respect for the rule of law. And part of the law's purpose is to be a restraint on people's behavior. That's a good thing as it helps make for a great community.

Competition with one's self could also be a form of competition in PvE. Improving at the game, and overcoming the odds of whatever piece content they are doing.

Competition with one's self is not PvP and does not excuse insulting other people.

[SturmChurro]

A great community usually does have a healthy respect for the rule of law. And part of the law's purpose is to be a restraint on people's behavior. That's a good thing as it helps make for a great community.

Competition with one's self is not PvP and does not excuse insulting other people.

In general, I don't think people being too scared to say their mind, or just preferring to keep what's said behind another's back or third party, is necessarily a hallmark of a "great community". Nor is potential abuse of the report feature, in the hopes of getting others they may not like banned, but I digress.

Did I say competition with one's self was PvP, and excused insulting other people?

[Gameovers]

Uh yes we can? Her death clearly has the biggest impact on story, so yeah it is important. Why should we not count that just because you don't care?

And why is it matter either if they died in ending or earlier? I really don't get your logic at all. Btw, yes the main character really died if you exclude the novel (which is so heavily retconned and more of a what-if scenario). It is not debatable.

Cool off first before you attack. I never said I didn't care. I didn't REMEMBER her death. So it didn't impact everyone the same. I forgot she died. Not my fault the game failed on that part for me. Then again 15 wasn't a good game. Horribly flawed imo.

[Rinhi]

Lastly, in regards to the Exarch, you are quite literally his favorite superhero. He tells you as much throughout the story and it's not so farfetched that, in what he thought was to be his final moments, he wanted to spend those last few moments with you because he resigned himself to dying. You can call it an annoying fanboy moment, that's fine, but the fact that he went through hell and high water to save you by getting you to the First and then took the time to express how important you are to them is, yeah, a soft moment that added a lot to his character development. No one else went through the lengths he did. I'll level with you in that I don't actually mind character death--it does add some interesting new dynamics to a story, but it's not always necessary. Other than that, we'll agree to disagree.[/HB]

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I don't think Kizu was referencing his 'last moments' but rather what happened to him afterwards
those last moments WERE really really well done, the cutscene before that as well, "why would you even ask me such a thing?" etc and he goes from that melancholic, 'please take me/my crystal with you on your adventures' to fangirling hard over estinien and others