The great streamer Asmongold is joining FFXIV

[KizuyaKatogami]

Sadly the fact is that the characters are marketable. So don't expect huge changes like death for them until they are done being selling points. Yshtola being the biggest problem. She is the mascot in japan so yeah. Not saying I agree with it.. but this is just the truth. Marketing.

Oh i agree. That’s why it’s funny to me though to constantly see people spout the nonsense of like, “oh it’s a final fantasy game first and an mmo after so the story takes priority.” Like...no. Marketing takes priority. Whatever makes them the most money will be what they decide. To tie it back into this thread though, it’s why i don’t really understand the part of the community that hates on people for disliking the story or skipping it. When they use it as their main marketing tool and don’t even follow their own rules when it comes to it lol. It’s all about money in the end.

[Gameovers]

Oh i agree. That’s why it’s funny to me though to constantly see people spout the nonsense of like, “oh it’s a final fantasy game first and an mmo after so the story takes priority.” Like...no. Marketing takes priority. Whatever makes them the most money will be what they decide. To tie it back into this thread though, it’s why i don’t really understand the part of the community that hates on people for disliking the story or skipping it. When they use it as their main marketing tool and don’t even follow their own rules when it comes to it lol. It’s all about money in the end.

I mean to be fair in respect it wants to treat itself like one. But I pose this.. whats the last Final Fantasy game that killed off a main character? I don't recall any after 10 and that was 20 something years ago. Saz - spelling but I forget- in 13 should've died for his plot but no.. he's alive. Noone in 15 dies from the main cast til the end and thats debatable. And you can't pay me enough to believe they are going to kill off Aries in remake. AS far as skipping the story, that's going to be an issue no matter what people think. People who don't want to spend 500 plus hours will not spend 500 plus hours nor should they have too. I mean not since SE put the skips in there anyway. So yeah they have an option. But this is all money first. I respect YP team as they earned it but yeah. SE is about the money. Remake wasn't going to be made unless it proved to provide a return on the investment. One of the reasons it's being told in parts. :c

On topic forreal tho. I don't think he's coming because his chat keeps begging him to come and everytime he sees XIV news now he groans and is clearly sick of it. You can see it in his face. I feel bad for the man. Like lets leave him alone and let him play his WoW :c

[ScarboroughFairy]

Sneep

Care to elaborate?

Is it your contention that because we faced two of our toughest enemies in the game, people are obligated to die or is it because that'd be something that you personally would find more interesting? Nothing happened to the Scions before the Hades fight because he was playing with his food. It wasn't just implied, Emet stated it himself:
"If I were to bring my full power to bear, you would be scattered like leaves in the wind."
He was purposely holding back just to prove a point. As for that section of the game not happening, the reason it happened in the first place was because Emet-Selch was still operating on the premise of making the Scions understand what it was that the Ascians were trying to do. Sure, it was more so an invitation for the WoL to head to Amaurot and quietly go insane, but that was his final token of good faith. He was confident in his victory after that and would've won had it not been for Minfilia having enough foresight to allow the WoL to rejoin with Ardbert.

They constantly teased Yshtola’s death and nothing came of it. They constantly teased Graha’s death and nothing came of it.

Nothing came of Y'shtola's death because of Emet-Selch. As you know, him pulling her from the Lifestream in the same manner the Elementals did was a pretty convenient way for him to gain the Scions' trust and set up the massive lorebomb regarding Amaurot and the required threads for Endwalker to even be a possibility. Also, if that section of the game regarding The Tempest didn't happen, what then? The WoL would've died of Light-cancer, turned into the most powerful Sin Eater in existence and coup de grâce'd the First. The end.

That and G'raha did, effectively, die. It just wasn't at the climax of 5.0, which seems to be your main contention regarding that point. If you think about it, there's only a few circumstances in this game where death is an indefinite consequence, otherwise, characters face death all the time with no way to circumvent it. This was established back in ARR during the discussion of how Ascians were able to reincarnate after "killing" them. G'raha managed to survive his ordeal with Elidibus because of a plot device established back in the first grind, replicating a dark crystal.

I feel like the longer we have this discussion, the more I feel like you're missing the forest for the trees with these particular takes.

As for plot armor, I'll actually give that to you. The Scions have a lot of plot armor, but none of it is unearned and plot armor isn't necessarily bad, either. You might disagree, but this isn't the first time in media where the main cast survives up until the point of the finale to further cement that feeling of shared growth. Sometimes plot armor is necessary to supplement the wider, overarching narrative.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I mean to be fair in respect it wants to treat itself like one. But I pose this.. whats the last Final Fantasy game that killed off a main character? I don't recall any after 10 and that was 20 something years ago. Saz - spelling but I forget- in 13 should've died for his plot but no.. he's alive. Noone in 15 dies from the main cast til the end and thats debatable. And you can't pay me enough to believe they are going to kill off Aries in remake. AS far as skipping the story, that's going to be an issue no matter what people think. People who don't want to spend 500 plus hours will not spend 500 plus hours nor should they have too. I mean not since SE put the skips in there anyway. So yeah they have an option. But this is all money first. I respect YP team as they earned it but yeah. SE is about the money. Remake wasn't going to be made unless it proved to provide a return on the investment. One of the reasons it's being told in parts. :c

On topic forreal tho. I don't think he's coming because his chat keeps begging him to come and everytime he sees XIV news now he groans and is clearly sick of it. You can see it in his face. I feel bad for the man. Like lets leave him alone and let him play his WoW :c

In regards to your who has died after 10.... never played 11 myself but i’m sure some people died, 12 had two main cast members kick the bucket, 13-2 did, 15 did. It’s a common thing in past final fantasy games because it’s what enhances the story and gets people’s emotions going. I felt nothing in 5.3 for a certain character because i knew they were going to be perfectly fine. It just sucks because i think it’s pretty clear a lot of it is pandering to the community because of which characters they attach too so we get things like the cringy uwu fanboy moments from a certain character...but yeah. In regards to the topic, all i can say is if he does come here i hope people quit being rude and let the man play it in peace. Respect his opinion whatever it is and move on. It isn’t the end of the world.

[Gameovers]

In regards to your who has died after 10.... never played 11 myself but i’m sure some people died, 12 had two main cast members kick the bucket, 13-2 did, 15 did. It’s a common thing in past final fantasy games because it’s what enhances the story and gets people’s emotions going. I felt nothing in 5.3 for a certain character because i knew they were going to be perfectly fine. It just sucks because i think it’s pretty clear a lot of it is pandering to the community because of which characters they attach too so we get things like the cringy uwu fanboy moments from a certain character...but yeah. In regards to the topic, all i can say is if he does come here i hope people quit being rude and let the man play it in peace. Respect his opinion whatever it is and move on. It isn’t the end of the world.

Who died in 15? I'm not counting the ending cause.... thats the ending. OOOH That one girl. That's who died. Can we count that? She impacts the story yes.. but as you can see.. I forgot about that.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Who died in 15? I'm not counting the ending cause.... thats the ending. OOOH That one girl. That's who died. Can we count that? She impacts the story yes.. but as you can see.. I forgot about that.

Honestly her death had little impact to me because I knew it was coming. It was so heavily foreshadowed.

[KizuyaKatogami]

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My point on us facing the toughest enemies so far is that, there should be stakes. If we fight the toughest enemies we ever have from the start of the game and the stakes are supposed to be high but nothing happens to us our the cast...there’s no emotional pull. It’s dull. None of it feels earned or like it was a difficult victory. It seems like a lot of weak writing as to why none of the scions were harmed. My point about Emet was the fact that, it was a major plot hole for him to not kill Graha then and there. Yes, they tried to cover it up by having him go to the tempest and show us the past, but literally all of that is meaningless when Graha is literally what held the key to him making sure that past was never a thing. They could’ve had him pull Yshtola out but made it where her health had deteriorated more than before back in HW since yknow...that’s supposed to be an actual plot point they completely dropped lmao. Exarch didn’t die. People can go ahead and say oh, he died at the end of 5.3. It literally means nothing because he was just shoved into Graha. He still continues to live on in him and gives us the annoying fanboy moments that take away from the story. If he had actually died there and didn’t plot device himself out? Yeah, i’d have probably felt some emotions. That’s what i mean though. We know everything is going to be okay for the scions so the emotional impact just isn’t there. Again, this community can’t seem to handle it at all, still crying over Haurchefant 6 years later. Haurchefant, Ysayle, Papalymo, look at the effect they had on both the cast AND the story itself, with constant dialogue options being a reference to them. Those deaths and events were literally what made the story and it’s why ShB runs so dull and dry for me. Despite it being advertised as the darkest and grimmest expansion there’s nothing there to really support that. It’s pretty bad when the expansion that’s advertised like that is the expansion with the least amount of both consequences and death. If we’re facing powerful foes beyond our power yes, i expect people to suffer injuries of some kind or die. Why is that so illogical? They’ve done it in every single other ff. Hell, 13-2 had the main antag literally kill the main protag at the end because he was so powerful. They’ve done it all the time in past ff’s and it’s what’s made things impactful, but because of marketing i guess they decide they can’t do that lmao. Idk how i’m “missing the forest for the trees”. It just seems to me like you’re making up a lot of excuses and headcanon to try and make it seem like there aren’t apparent plot holes and messy writing with the story when there obviously is. It’s pretty bad when one of your supporting claims as to why Graha faked his rest was because “uwu he wanted to talk to you.” What is this a slice of life anime?.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Honestly her death had little impact to me because I knew it was coming. It was so heavily foreshadowed.

Are you familiar with the original concept of FFXV?
There is a Trailer for the game that is....VERY different from the Finish Product we got, that showed what the game was suppose to be. Her death, would have had ALOT more meaning and impact in that version of the game.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Are you familiar with the original concept of FFXV?
There is a Trailer for the game that is....VERY different from the Finish Product we got, that showed what the game was suppose to be. Her death, would have had ALOT more meaning and impact in that version of the game.

Oh I know the original concept. Still doesn't change the finished product though.

[Ayuhra]

Oh I know the original concept. Still doesn't change the finished product though.

In the original FFXV basically everyone dies.