Relo mechanics are Cancer

[azura84]

It's because it's was a driving force behind a lot of RMT and all the problems that comes with it (namely the gilspammers and botters)

This is something that should be suppressed until SE gives us some way to exchange gil for game time (and then a token that's tradeable on the market like what we've seen in several other MMOs at this point).

Yes, and I'm having a change of heart about allowing free market of it, because it would ultimately become unfair as you say, and the only way SE could battle that unfairness is to put a bunch of money and time into anti-cheat software and hardware locking houses, and even then it would not really stop people from profiting off it. Profit isn't exactly a bad thing is really what i wanted to express, but when the supply can be disrupted by tycoons so for the whole world is when you have a problem. Unfortunately the only other option is what hey have done, which is basically punishing everyone. A 24+ hr invisible timer certainly stops black market dealing but it also hurts everyone else, I think Jojoya or Themarvin have the most elegant solutions; ie reducing the invisible timer to 3-4hrs (still works against black market dealing and an easy fix) and/or reducing the number of clicks per hour on the placards (harder to implement but still not a bad idea)

[Themarvin]

What is so wrong about a real estate business? Most players would WELCOME solid prices and guarantees if land deeds were tradable on the market board, it would demonstrate the actual value of the houses. Even the guy who owns an entire ward can't prevent houses from having a stable value on a free/black market and the main reason prices got so high originally was because SE didn't refund any of the plot purchase gil, which urged players selling and relinquishing to charge increasingly inflated prices as time went on, particularly with Large and Medium houses. ALL of these issues stem from free market being ideal but not always plausible in a small world with limited resources, if only SE had designed housing less around dick measuring and more around the equality they wanted then we would have instanced housing less data usage and more accessibility. Instead they waited until housing was in such high demand they couldn't give the instanced apartments more than a small house, much less the space and outdoor freedom to garden because it would destroy the value of the houses that people already paid for.

It is simple, even if you are supposed to be an ancient account, it would involve in over RMT and bots will always win over players when trying to buy a house for knowing that the price of resale value could be a tonnes of gil... or 100 dollars in real life money on some shady site.

[Catstab]

are you just trolling, i know that's what it does lol

Ok. Your "a relocator doesn't give us an open plot to camp" comment doesn't make much sense then. Since a relocator does leave an open plot. They reset the timer, yes.

Your suggestion would mean the relocator still has the option to reset the timer, but only after a delay of many hours. So the process would be largely unchanged, but slowed down for everyone. This would lead to many extra hours of placard clicking, as compared to what currently happens. Don't love the current system, but this suggestion is a downgrade.

[Almagnus1]

Yes, and I'm having a change of heart about allowing free market of it, because it would ultimately become unfair as you say, and the only way SE could battle that unfairness is to put a bunch of money and time into anti-cheat software and hardware locking houses, and even then it would not really stop people from profiting off it. Profit isn't exactly a bad thing is really what i wanted to express, but when the supply can be disrupted by tycoons so for the whole world is when you have a problem. Unfortunately the only other option is what hey have done, which is basically punishing everyone. A 24+ hr invisible timer certainly stops black market dealing but it also hurts everyone else, I think Jojoya or Themarvin have the most elegant solutions; ie reducing the invisible timer to 3-4hrs (still works against black market dealing and an easy fix) and/or reducing the number of clicks per hour on the placards (harder to implement but still not a bad idea)

I would be fine if SE let marketforces work on the houses provided that the gil went out of the economy rather than changed hands between the players, as that would be a short term spike in housing prices, provided that SE had an auction and the houses always start at their lowest offering as initial bid, and each successive bid was at least an increase of 1% over the current bid. And I would be fine with this if SE had a time token system in place where a player could buy a token for RL currency and then sell the currency on the market (so they are indirectly buying currency but SE pockets the money), with the option for players to buy the time token for gil (which would help pull gil out of the economy).

The problem, however, is when you have players that are shuffling around houses you end up with houses going for many multiples (if not at least an order of magnitude more) than what SE says the house is worth, and the gil gets shuffled around that way as it becomes far to easy to allow for other forms of payment besides gil (like dogecoin) for FFXIV stuff... and that opens up a whole can of worms that can lead to shady things where accounts get compromised and people get ripped off.

[Commander_Justitia]

Bozja has better priority access management to duels than housing does for buying a free plot.

[Arohk]

If there was no timer on placards, you would need to camp the housing areas 24/7 for weeks until a plot opens up and then would just lose it to the first person getting there.

As i suggested before, relocation shouldnt reset the timer of the new open plot.

[LaylaTsarra]

If there was no timer on placards, you would need to camp the housing areas 24/7 for weeks until a plot opens up and then would just lose it to the first person getting there.

As i suggested before, relocation shouldnt reset the timer of the new open plot.

At the least it should reset it to the timer of the existing plot that was relocated to.

[Jojoya]

If there was no timer on placards, you would need to camp the housing areas 24/7 for weeks until a plot opens up and then would just lose it to the first person getting there.

As i suggested before, relocation shouldnt reset the timer of the new open plot.

I've got one of the more desirable Mist medium plots. Occasionally I think about maybe relocating to a small (haven't so far because I do a LOT of gardening but I may lose interest in that depending on what Island Sanctuary brings).

So some flipper approaches me, says "I'd really like to buy your plot. If you ever think about giving it up or relocating, I'll pay you to let me know when you're going to do it." (I've had that happen twice in the 3 years I've had the plot). I decide I'm ready to relocate, find a plot I'm satisfied with, flipper pays me a few mlllion gil when I tell him I'll be relocating in 5 minutes then immediately buys my plot once I do.

Yeah, no. The timer needs to stay in place even when the plot is relinquished through relocation. I'm still in favor of reducing the max length of the timer but not removing it completely unless SE solves the supply problem. As long as there's more demand for houses than supply, we need that timer. It's not a complete solution to the flipping problem but it has cut into it quite a bit.

[Arohk]

Why would you relocate to a small house when you already got a medium one. You will lose so much item slots. Small houses are ao limited of what you can build in them because of the 200 items. Just get rid of your basement in the medium house then 300 items is alsmost fine for it. My medium house uses around 250 items in the First floor already and i just had enough left for a small bathroom on the top.

[NanaWiloh]

Why would you relocate to a small house when you already got a medium one. You will lose so much item slots. Small houses are ao limited of what you can build in them because of the 200 items. Just get rid of your basement in the medium house then 300 items is alsmost fine for it. My medium house uses around 250 items in the First floor already and i just had enough left for a small bathroom on the top.

250 items on the first floor wow!!! Must homes have scene in photos and videos using that many items on one floor. Have had some serious detail put into the decorating and covering of every inch of space.