The great streamer Asmongold is joining FFXIV

[LisSquid]

In it's core both games are good, thats why they are successful and still going strong, it's just that WoW is currently in a situation where people are not happy with certain decisions hence all those creators jumping ship to FFXIV because they don't want to deal with the daily grind requirements and randomness.

Yeah, it's a really weird situation for people to be pointing at each other going, "I TOLD YOU MY GAME WAS BETTER." FFXIV is coming off the high of a very successful expansion. WoW is being hit by an eight months .0 patch, which is usually a "foundation" patch, and unpopular designs.

Kinda sad that alot of WoW players are not used to actual good story telling in the game, so much that they think story skip and boosting is the way to get to the fun parts of the game because no one likes leveling.

It's alien looking in, but I cannot stress enough that many people do not care about story. They want a fun game with aesthetics they like to explore, and couldn't give a damn about who is who and what is what.

FFXIV's MSQ is a major selling point for a lot of people, but a major deal breaker for many others.

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I mentioned before, but WoW players actually found a tactic to kill themselves in such a way to bypass a story instance. These are the lengths people will go when they don't want it.

[Frienze]

Yeah, it's a really weird situation for people to be pointing at each other going, "I TOLD YOU MY GAME WAS BETTER." FFXIV is coming off the high of a very successful expansion. WoW is being hit by an eight months .0 patch, which is usually a "foundation" patch, and unpopular designs.



It's alien looking in, but I cannot stress enough that many people do not care about story. They want a fun game with aesthetics they like to explore, and couldn't give a damn about who is who and what is what.

FFXIV's MSQ is a major selling point for a lot of people, but a major deal breaker for many others.

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I mentioned before, but WoW players actually found a tactic to kill themselves in such a way to bypass a story instance. These are the lengths people will go when they don't want it.

I don't know that it's fair to say they couldn't give a damn about who is who and what is what.

Look at it from a different point of view - a new player one.

You just buy the game, specifically to play with your friends and you find out you sort of can't because you have to go through not only every expansion MSQ but the post MSQ that comes along with it.

For a lot of players, it's not a matter of not caring about who is who. It's a matter of they have SO much content to sift through that it can and does get disheartening when you want to play with your friends.

[LisSquid]

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The MSQ being an entirely solo thing is also a huge issue. It was originally what kept me from digging my teeth into the game because it was so lonely. That being said, I don't think it's a far stretch to say that a lot of people love the gameplay of an mmo and take any story and lore as an extra. When that extra becomes the main dish, it becomes unappealing for the game mode they want to play.

[Frienze]

The MSQ being an entirely solo thing is also a huge issue. It was originally what kept me from digging my teeth into the game because it was so lonely. That being said, I don't think it's a far stretch to say that a lot of people love the gameplay of an mmo and take any story and lore as an extra. When that extra becomes the main dish, it becomes unappealing for the game mode they want to play.

That's why I often say, I love FFXIV - but I hate the questing.

Some of my favorite memories in WoW involve me getting in a party with a group of friends and questing through new expansions, etc. You can't -really- have that with FFXIV and that does kind of make the experience with questing a very lonely one, I agree.

I remember giving up at one point with FFXIV and playing alone, because all of my friends were further in the expansions than I was and I just constantly kept getting left behind. It was either buy a boost to play with them, or play alone.

I wasn't working at the time, so I played alone. :3

[Awha]

Same. I haven't read a book since like 2009, and I don't know why anyone would want to buy one! I suppose they'd be nice decorations, but then again, I don't really decorate my house or room.

I still buy physical books reading scans or kindle just does not do it for me when it comes to reading for enjoyment.

For textbooks and reading other then enjoyment yeah scans work fine for me.

[LisSquid]

If they ever did do a revamp of the MSQ, I think it would be awesome to let people work through it together. Plop other people in the back of cutscenes as an extra a la Praetorium. At least don't make us have to drop party when someone gets to a solo duty..

Level syncing on WoW has been so fun for helping friends either try out the game, or work on Loremaster on an alt. NG+ feels like the perfect opportunity to turn it into a "play with your friend who is a new player" system.

[Darksummoner]

One could easily say the lore in WoW is better but then again WoW is using tactics where in order to understand that lore they make you buy their books in order to understand it better. It is money tactics like this that has pushed me away from their game among idiotic developers that literally pick what classes they want to do well in DPS and Heals.

[SturmChurro]

I HATE questing with other players, or friends. It unironically ruins my immersion, and I always have to hurry up, because someone is skipping cutscenes and now I'm a burden. Even if that wasn't the case, it still would be weird having someone with me questing for like 10 hours, or hearing them over Discord. It's like when I hear people in other games talk about bringing co-op into established singleplayer franchises, and I'm just like.. please no.

[ZedxKayn]

One could easily say the lore in WoW is better but then again WoW is using tactics where in order to understand that lore they make you buy their books in order to understand it better. It is money tactics like this that has pushed me away from their game among idiotic developers that literally pick what classes they want to do well in DPS and Heals.

I dunno if I'd call that a money tactic. It's just a multimedia franchise.

[LisSquid]

I HATE questing with other players, or friends. It unironically ruins my immersion, and I always have to hurry up, because someone is skipping cutscenes and now I'm a burden. Even if that wasn't the case, it still would be weird having someone with me questing for like 10 hours, or hearing them over Discord. It's like when I hear people in other games talk about bringing co-op into established singleplayer franchises, and I'm just like.. please no.

Nothing stops you from solo questing in any game that offers it. FFXIV is the only one that mandates it.