Popular WoW content creator Bellular is praising FF14.

[GrizzlyTank]

If you were to draw a venn-diagram of ffxiv and wow players it would be a circle.

[Sotaris]

Well, like I said, Brian has stated what he doesn't like about the game. And what little can be seen about the guy next to Bellular is he's very passionate about the story, but he has agreed with Bellular's initial problem with the game. It might change or it might not as they continue playing.

So no, Brian is definitely not a white knight, while Bellular's friend is a relatively new player, so not all of the problems may be apparent for him. That said, what may be a problem to you may not be a problem to others, and vice versa. A constructive discussion, again, must be put in context, and it's harder to have enough context if you're just started playing. That doesn't mean one's experience is invalid. Whether people like the game or not from the beginning is a valid experience for them.

Like I said, I haven't watched their youtube channel for like 2-3 years. Back then I recall him being verrrry naive and acting like the typical white knight i described, maybe it different now but i'm not gonna watch their content.

[Payadopa]

I'm not sure why I should care.

[Liam_Harper]

If Bellular makes it to endgame I guarantee he's gonna turn negative. This game just doesn't have the endgame a long time WoW player would expect.

Sadly neither does WoW anymore.

[OrigNN]

If Bellular makes it to endgame I guarantee he's gonna turn negative. This game just doesn't have the endgame a long time WoW player would expect.

What does a WoW-Player expect? A Weekly Login for the raids and mythic+ ? Or the daily Daily-Grind? As a long time WoW-Player, I really miss that... not.

[Jojoya]

If Bellular makes it to endgame I guarantee he's gonna turn negative. This game just doesn't have the endgame a long time WoW player would expect.

Getting something other than what you expect isn't automatically a negative experience.

If you're only into end game raiding/PvP, it would likely be a problem (that would be WoW content creators like Asmongold and Preach). If you appreciate other content within the game (which Bellular would), it can be a welcome surprise because now you've got time to delve into that other content.

Not every player and every content creator is about raiding. It's only going to look that way to those who only follow the content creators who are.

[Shurrikhan]

If Brian is a white knight, then the term either has a positive connotation I don't know about, or you're not using it correctly. Brian is a fan of FFXIV, and as a fan, he would naturally have more things he likes about FFXIV than he doesn't like, but he shares his dislikes as well as his likes, things he wants in FFXIV and things he could do without, just like any fan.

I can see it both/either way(s), personally.

I think the whole "white knight" label is more a matter of (1) ratio of critique relative to the average involved and knowledgable player and (2) hindsight. If he covers released content that most people you run into would have some serious concerns about and, himself, has little to nothing he finds worthy of critique, or upcoming content that has warning bells ringing for half or so of players and yet for which he can only see clear skies on the horizon... yeah, relatively speaking, he's not going to be someone I, personally, am going to see much community value in, as his work at best attracts more players to the game, which indirectly decreases the need for quality, rather than much addressing those matters of quality themselves. If he then goes through some notable mental gymnastics or seemingly active neglect to defend or ignore certain problems, then I'd call him a white knight.

For me, Brian is right on the cusp of that.

Tonally, he meets most criteria for me, as even when he notes an issue he perceives, it tends to seem so blanketed over that there is no call to action or responsibility or anything else to make that criticism actionable or significant. In the strictest sense, though, he falls just short.

What does a WoW-Player expect? A Weekly Login for the raids and mythic+ ? Or the daily Daily-Grind? As a long time WoW-Player, I really miss that... not.

There is no weekly login bonus in WoW. XIV has a daily-grind in the form of daily roulettes; WoW does not.

Can we at least aim for some degree of accuracy in our comparisons?

[MoonPhaseAlpha]

I'm not sure why I should care.

Not sure why anyone should care...

[Vahlnir]

Unless I misunderstood you I have to say that in FFXIV character progression is almost no existent and "fully reset" with each major patch. I personally don't mind since I play for collecting stuff.

Yeah, I think there was a bit of a misunderstanding here, but it's okay. WoW's gear progression works similarly, they just make it painful for more casual players to get decently geared. Gotta look after them hardcore raiders because that's all the dev team really cares about. I used to raid pretty hard back in Wrath in Cata, but I've been pretty casual for a long, long time now. I still like to gear my character to the best of my ability though. In FF XIV, I can progress my character weekly and always feel like I'm getting somewhere. I wouldn't say it is fully resets each patch though. You just get better gear, and the gear you had been using can be used for your retainers or glamour. Or both. Gear in this game is never truly irrelevant, though I suppose that might be subjective depending on the overall worth of gear to the individual. If it is "just a number" to some (which I think is a flawed way of thinking) then I guess I could see it. For me, I see every set of gear as an investment. You get the gear, upgrade it, make it look good (if you like the look if it is customizable at all) and then move on to the next set.

[Shurrikhan]

If you're only into end game raiding/PvP, it would likely be a problem (that would be WoW content creators like Asmongold and Preach). If you appreciate other content within the game (which Bellular would), it can be a welcome surprise because now you've got time to delve into that other content.

True. Preach/Mike and Asmongold/Zack, as much as they can enjoy meta-content (Asmongold's hosted transmog or mount events) or slightly more casual runs (assuming one can still expect others to know the basics of play like holding threat, interrupting, not standing in bad, or otherwise using their full kit), make it explicitly clear that they care mostly just about core combat content in their MMOs. Bellular/Michael, on the other hand, seems much more open to most stuff (even if he, too, won't much care about, say, pet battles), and while he's no less upset with time-wasting practices/gating, etc., on principle, he does seem like he takes more of a personal/concrete opportunity cost from those practices and would be even more appreciative of things being a bit... simplified, through what else he could use that time on.