Popular WoW content creator Bellular is praising FF14.

[FoxyAreku]

If Bellular makes it to endgame I guarantee he's gonna turn negative. This game just doesn't have the endgame a long time WoW player would expect.

[van_arn]

If Bellular makes it to endgame I guarantee he's gonna turn negative. This game just doesn't have the endgame a long time WoW player would expect.

He's more the sort that won't care all that much about the bleeding edge after he's made it through the story. He'll be too distracted finding copies of encyclopedia eorzea.

[Vahlnir]

If Bellular makes it to endgame I guarantee he's gonna turn negative. This game just doesn't have the endgame a long time WoW player would expect.

Maybe not what a long time WoW player like myself expected when I joined during ARR launch, but it was certainly what I needed. I just came to appreciate it more a few years later as WoW began circling the drain and I no longer felt like I could progress my character in a meaningful way.

[Hyperia]

People change as their lives move forward. I was a super hard core wow raider but now I enjoy a slower lifestyle that FFXIV offered me back when 2.0 came out. I don’t miss those wild and crazy days back in wow but I can never go back to that, nor do I want to.

Belluar said he doesn’t want to stream XIV and I support him on this. He can enjoy the game at his pace and enjoy it for what it is, his next adventure in his life.

Will he totally leave wow? I don’t believe so, at least, not in the immediate future as it pays his bills. Slowly, over time though, I expect him to move on from wow. If he ends up with us, I welcome him with open arms but if he goes on, past us to the next adventure, I wish him fond memories of his time with us.

[FelixDaCat]

That documentary, while entertaining and in some ways illuminating, has always been a bit weird for me. While it's right on the money about a lot of stuff, it's weird how they copy a lot of the old soundbites and scapegoat lines rather than going for a deeper understanding and therefore seem to miss the points experienced by a lot of its players.

Looking at this, it feels really weird that I could go from serious raiding and PvP (and now a tremendous love for high-key Mythic+ dungeon runs) to 1.x and actually quite enjoy it. That is, until I remember that not everything in that doc is sufficiently accurate, precise, or pertinent to really get a picture of what 1.x was like, and there's a tremendous difference between entering an experience with (negative) expectations around which to anchor that experience (again, negatively) and just taking it for what it is.

The NoClip thing made me realise just how important having strong direction can make or break a game. WoW has seemed lost to me for a long time. WoW will always be WotLK. What amazed me and made me want to play was (& I still think this) FF14 was just such a pretty game. I started on PS4 , which died due to FF14 maxing it out. I got a PS4-Pro, before realising I wanted to go over to PC for FF14.

Starting the game when Stormblood game out, really spoiled me, as I had so much content to work through for 6 weeks, before I hit 70. Heavensward was so well written and while I moved to RDM after about 6 months, I never felt Stormblood hit it's stride. Shadowbringers for me, was very close in giving me the same awe Heavensward did and while I stop start between patches, have been really impressed for the most.

I still loath a lot of Duty content, where I am forced to play as another Scion, as I don't play more than one job role/char in games, so I always struggle when I need to play a Scion who's class is a mage or healers. Currently I am stuck at the 5.5 Duty where you do the big battle, but will eventually nail it, when my back recovers from the operation I had on y nerves last Friday.

[linayar]

It's too bad that guy is such a white knight for FF. It's not healthy when you can't have a constructive discussion. Same thing with Brian guy from Work to game or whatever the YT channel is called - maybe he matured over the years but probably one of the biggest White Knights in the FF14 Content creator scene I saw when I used to watch their videos years ago.

If Brian is a white knight, then the term either has a positive connotation I don't know about, or you're not using it correctly. Brian is a fan of FFXIV, and as a fan, he would naturally have more things he likes about FFXIV than he doesn't like, but he shares his dislikes as well as his likes, things he wants in FFXIV and things he could do without, just like any fan.

With Bellular and his friend, I feel it's the same thing, minus the experience of being caught up and plus the comparison with WoW. Those factors combined would of course have them gushing about FFXIV. Time will tell whether they will feel the same once they've caught up with where long-time players are, but at the very least, they have said that some things they think WoW does better, like the feel of combat control.

To have a constructive discussion, you'd have to have more knowledge about the game, but where they are in the game, it's very possible to have an overwhelmingly positive experience, especially if they're comparing it to some negative experiences in WoW.

If Bellular makes it to endgame I guarantee he's gonna turn negative. This game just doesn't have the endgame a long time WoW player would expect.

Nah, he's said he doesn't want another main game. He wants a game that he can enjoy on the side, so FFXIV's endgame would be suitable for him.

[Driavna]

Maybe not what a long time WoW player like myself expected when I joined during ARR launch, but it was certainly what I needed. I just came to appreciate it more a few years later as WoW began circling the drain and I no longer felt like I could progress my character in a meaningful way.

Unless I misunderstood you I have to say that in FFXIV character progression is almost no existent and "fully reset" with each major patch. I personally don't mind since I play for collecting stuff.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Unless I misunderstood you I have to say that in FFXIV character progression is almost no existent and "fully reset" with each major patch. I personally don't mind since I play for collecting stuff.

I was about to say this lmao. There is little to no character progression lmao. It sucks for raiding because raid gear is basically worthless outside of maybe ultimate for awhile.

[Sotaris]

If Brian is a white knight, then the term either has a positive connotation I don't know about, or you're not using it correctly. Brian is a fan of FFXIV, and as a fan, he would naturally have more things he likes about FFXIV than he doesn't like, but he shares his dislikes as well as his likes, things he wants in FFXIV and things he could do without, just like any fan.

With Bellular and his friend, I feel it's the same thing, minus the experience of being caught up and plus the comparison with WoW. Those factors combined would of course have them gushing about FFXIV. Time will tell whether they will feel the same once they've caught up with where long-time players are, but at the very least, they have said that some things they think WoW does better, like the feel of combat control.

To have a constructive discussion, you'd have to have more knowledge about the game, but where they are in the game, it's very possible to have an overwhelmingly positive experience, especially if they're comparing it to some negative experiences in WoW.

Nah, he's said he doesn't want another main game. He wants a game that he can enjoy on the side, so FFXIV's endgame would be suitable for him.

I don't know your definition of a White Knight but generally I see it as someone who speak fondly about the thing their passinate about but can't see any issues with it, being overly possitive and dare I call it, naive.
That label I feel can/could be applied to both Brian and that guy next to Bellular - with the limited watch I seen them both.

So if you can't even see the problems (spoiler alert, this game as a lot of flaws and is not perfect) there is impossible to have a constructive disussion.

[linayar]

I don't know your definition of a White Knight but generally I see it as someone who speak fondly about the thing their passinate about but can't see any issues with it, being overly possitive and dare I call it, naive.
That label I feel can/could be applied to both Brian and that guy next to Bellular - with the limited watch I seen them both.

So if you can't even see the problems (spoiler alert, this game as a lot of flaws and is not perfect) there is impossible to have a constructive disussion.

Well, like I said, Brian has stated what he doesn't like about the game. And what little can be seen about the guy next to Bellular is he's very passionate about the story, but he has agreed with Bellular's initial problem with the game. It might change or it might not as they continue playing.

So no, Brian is definitely not a white knight, while Bellular's friend is a relatively new player, so not all of the problems may be apparent for him. That said, what may be a problem to you may not be a problem to others, and vice versa. A constructive discussion, again, must be put in context, and it's harder to have enough context if you're just started playing. That doesn't mean one's experience is invalid. Whether people like the game or not from the beginning is a valid experience for them.