Housing Credit System

[sharlim]

"Exclusive and fun" lol

At least you wrote personaly, which is an important detail: you're sugesting an activity log based on stuff YOU think are relevant in a game that caters to a multitude of playstyles. And the devs themselves recognize this, having differences in playstyle reason enough for a vote kick.

So, yeah. By making the system worse you're just hiding the problem, not addressing it at all. Hard pass.

Yep, we're really all sharing opinions on these forums and not facts for the most part, since we don't have alot of data on player activity and strong correlations on player behaviors to different feature releases etc.

In retrospect I should have maybe titled it "housing skill tree" since I'm proposing essentially tokens to unlock nodes in a tree or graph. IMO this approach would make the housing system better and cater to multiple playstyles (raiding, crafting etc), but that might not have been clear from all the discussions so far or you may not agree, and that's OK.

[Rofel]

I understand, and I'm sorry if my wording was harsh.

It's just the bucket list of what should be rewarded rubbed me in the wrong way, plus the "entitlement" argument because I think I didn't get what is the scenario of your proposal.

When you say "the server can currently accommodate 1 home per 1 active players" is this based on what? A fresh server, which does not address what we current have, or a clean state on housing itself?

I do agree the current system does not work, and I would not have a problem in "making the player work" for a house, as long as said player is able to get the house after the hurdle, which I don't see (yet) how this system would address the shortage problem besides trying to discourage the majority of the casual playerbase to engage in this content.

Again, sorry about my rant, it was uncalled for.

[sharlim]

Yep, we're really all sharing opinions on these forums and not facts for the most part, since we don't have alot of data on player activity and strong correlations on player behaviors to different feature releases etc.

In retrospect I should have maybe titled it "housing skill tree" since I'm proposing essentially tokens to unlock nodes in a tree or graph. IMO this approach would make the housing system better and cater to multiple playstyles (raiding, crafting etc), but that might not have been clear from all the discussions so far or you may not agree, and that's OK.

No worries Rofel! I agree with most everything you said and you raise a good argument towards how to keep it fair for all players. I think this is solvable though in the context of this credit/skill system, but I also concede some of the other housing ideas in the forums could have less tradeoffs.

For the one home per one active player, this is based on a pretty big statistical assertion I have that somewhere around half of active players invest in housing plots and the other half either stop short and rotate out for new players coming in or just stick with FC housing and apartments. There are a alot of holes in this model, one glaring one that you can have more than 1 plot and an FC apartment etc, but I think XIV team has a similar model considering the numbers below.

In NA active players according to ffxivcensus.com is 280k. Game Housing has 4 districts x 24 wards x 60 plots = 5760 x servers(8 aether + 8 primal + 8 crystal) = 138,240 housing plots spread across NA. The statistics here might even be stochastic since players tend to concentrate on some servers more than others and player progression per server is likely not evenly distributed either. But I think it’s interesting that the number of housing plots across NA is roughly 50% the active player projection. I could be overthinking it though.

[ItMe]

For the one home per one active player, this is based on a pretty big statistical assertion I have that somewhere around half of active players invest in housing plots and the other half either stop short and rotate out for new players coming in or just stick with FC housing and apartments.

Can you share your statistics please?
How were these stats compiled?

[MicahZerrshia]

Or, hear me out.

We can stop coming up with ways to punish other players and put more pressure on SE to solve the problem they created in a way that is fair to everyone paying the same each month in subscription costs. I know its easy to point fingers and scream "but they don't play as much as I or partake in the same content as I, so therefore I deserve exclusive access to this other piece of content and they do not". But it is not other players that are the problem. It is the way SE is handling housing on a more fundamental basis. I think everyone deserves a house if they want one.

Housing is in and of itself its own piece on content, not a reward for completing content, like weapon or armor drops. Some people I am sure like to log in and decorate their homes and have little interest in other aspects of the game. They are still playing the game, they are still partaking in their favorite piece of content and should be able to reap the benefits of that content without some other dude screaming at them from afar that they are more deserving just because they feel they are. It is not up to us to police other players or try to have them punished for enjoying the content they enjoy. It is up to us to put more pressure on SE to open that content to all who want to partake.

Should we need to farm tokens on a consistent basis to participate in savage, or ultimate? What about the 24 man raids? Hunts? And then only have a set number of instances open and getting into one of those instances was done by a lotto or by having to click on the entrance for hours. Hoping that someone already in the instance ran out of tokens and is going to be forcibly removed. Imagine if this was the case? Ppl would be going nuts, putting pressure on SE to change it. So why is it that with a piece of content like housing, we don't look to SE for change, and instead we try to come up with the most creative ways possible to say they we are more entitled that someone else and therefore should have exclusive access?

Other players are not the problem. You are not more deserving to have access to a piece of content just because you feel you do.

[NanaWiloh]

Crafting, combat, and time also produce gil. I still think the fix is putting ARR prices back. 40m small, 200m medium, 500m large. Those were the original prices.

Players: Please, cheaper!
Yoshi P: The rich will buy entire wards, then
Players: Please!

We literally begged devs for the system we have currently. This suggestion seems sort of in spirit with bringing the prices back up, so that essentially players 1-5 months old aren't competing for houses with 6-18 months old players. Unfortunately, I don't see an entirely new housing only currency being programmed in, any more than an instanced housing system.

Bringing old prices is no different then now. Most players having no chance. Worse old prices will make rmt worse, rmt players will have a field day.

[Besame]

Or, hear me out.

We can stop coming up with ways to punish other players and put more pressure on SE to solve the problem they created in a way that is fair to everyone paying the same each month in subscription costs. I know its easy to point fingers and scream "but they don't play as much as I or partake in the same content as I, so therefore I deserve exclusive access to this other piece of content and they do not". But it is not other players that are the problem. It is the way SE is handling housing on a more fundamental basis. I think everyone deserves a house if they want one.

Housing is in and of itself its own piece on content, not a reward for completing content, like weapon or armor drops. Some people I am sure like to log in and decorate their homes and have little interest in other aspects of the game. They are still playing the game, they are still partaking in their favorite piece of content and should be able to reap the benefits of that content without some other dude screaming at them from afar that they are more deserving just because they feel they are. It is not up to us to police other players or try to have them punished for enjoying the content they enjoy. It is up to us to put more pressure on SE to open that content to all who want to partake.

Should we need to farm tokens on a consistent basis to participate in savage, or ultimate? What about the 24 man raids? Hunts? And then only have a set number of instances open and getting into one of those instances was done by a lotto or by having to click on the entrance for hours. Hoping that someone already in the instance ran out of tokens and is going to be forcibly removed. Imagine if this was the case? Ppl would be going nuts, putting pressure on SE to change it. So why is it that with a piece of content like housing, we don't look to SE for change, and instead we try to come up with the most creative ways possible to say they we are more entitled that someone else and therefore should have exclusive access?

Other players are not the problem. You are not more deserving to have access to a piece of content just because you feel you do.

Well said, weary of the "entitled" thinking they should get more than any other subscriber by time spent or deeds done No imagined "punishments", this is supposed to be a positive experience lol.

[Themarvin]

There is a thing though for those that will and will not do these things.

SE want everyone to have a chance at things, that is why it is not going to happen... they want the 1month old new player as well as the 5 year veteran to have a shot at it, and that is how it is going to remain, removal og grandfathering and 1 person FC's would be in its place, or just with the new coming areas up, make it so if not already, that if you try to relocate a house you wont be able to as already exceeded the limit, FC included.

[Almagnus1]

Well said, weary of the "entitled" thinking they should get more than any other subscriber by time spent or deeds done No imagined "punishments", this is supposed to be a positive experience lol.

If housing was truly a positive experience, we wouldn't have horror stores of people failing Signage Ultimate.

[sharlim]

Or, hear me out.

We can stop coming up with ways to punish other players and put more pressure on SE to solve the problem they created in a way that is fair to everyone paying the same each month in subscription costs. I know its easy to point fingers and scream "but they don't play as much as I or partake in the same content as I, so therefore I deserve exclusive access to this other piece of content and they do not". But it is not other players that are the problem. It is the way SE is handling housing on a more fundamental basis. I think everyone deserves a house if they want one.

Housing is in and of itself its own piece on content, not a reward for completing content, like weapon or armor drops. Some people I am sure like to log in and decorate their homes and have little interest in other aspects of the game. They are still playing the game, they are still partaking in their favorite piece of content and should be able to reap the benefits of that content without some other dude screaming at them from afar that they are more deserving just because they feel they are. It is not up to us to police other players or try to have them punished for enjoying the content they enjoy. It is up to us to put more pressure on SE to open that content to all who want to partake.

Should we need to farm tokens on a consistent basis to participate in savage, or ultimate? What about the 24 man raids? Hunts? And then only have a set number of instances open and getting into one of those instances was done by a lotto or by having to click on the entrance for hours. Hoping that someone already in the instance ran out of tokens and is going to be forcibly removed. Imagine if this was the case? Ppl would be going nuts, putting pressure on SE to change it. So why is it that with a piece of content like housing, we don't look to SE for change, and instead we try to come up with the most creative ways possible to say they we are more entitled that someone else and therefore should have exclusive access?

Other players are not the problem. You are not more deserving to have access to a piece of content just because you feel you do.

Agree 100%. Everyone who pays their sub should have the same opportunities, this was actually at the heart of my proposal through a merit based system - but it's alot more complex than a lottery system which can achieve the same result with less complexity to manage.

This thread and the others in the megathread served the purpose of providing visibility to SE, and looks like they are moving forward with the lottery system + fc housing. I hope their decision was in part influenced by these forum discussions. If so, I would say these conversations were a success, thank you for your feedback!