Summoner 6.0 Rework (my reimagining)

[Exodus-E]

You would have a point there....if SE wasnt seemly stripping healers, and a few of the dps such as bard of their identity, as of current identity matters, but it seems to not be a focus for the team since whatever just gets melded into a class, wether it fits the tradittional role of that class or not (again, bard is a fine example of this)

No, they didn't.

• AST still relies on cards as its main mechanic.
• SCH still relies on faeries as its main mechanic.
• BRD still relies on songs as its main mechanic.

And speaking of BRD, and while it did receive a major rework back in 4.0, it still focuses on its songs (even if they work differently).
Hell, it even kept the same songs it originally had (minus Foe's Requiem), so its identity is very much intact.

No, what i propose would be akin to upgrading most/every summon from the dog sized Egis to Traditionally (like every other final fantasy game with a summoner) sized BIG BOI summons. adds far more form and function with every summon, not to mention looks.

Subjective.
Also, FF11 didn't have "big" summons either (although they did look better than Egis).

On the contrary my friend this would expand the amount of summons, as it could be any primal we have fought thus far (a lot), and no one said they couldnt be glamoured with a bit of thought into design

If that's the case, then you certainly didn't mention it throughout your original post.

I wouldnt hold your breath on that one fam, its been years and we still dont even have a ramuh egi, not even a glam for it.

While that's true, MrHappy's recent (e-mail) interview suggested that Egi glamours would still be a thing, rather than being outright scrapped.
So yes, I definitely am holding my breath on that one until they state otherwise.

Snip.

THANK YOU.
That's the one thing I missed on my original post: throwing class/job balance right out of the window.
Maybe it would've worked if SMN was a "Limited" job instead, but since it's a regular one...yeah, no.

[Mikey_R]

THANK YOU.
That's the one thing I missed on my original post: throwing class/job balance right out of the window.
Maybe it would've worked if SMN was a "Limited" job instead, but since it's a regular one...yeah, no.

Not going to lie, that exact thought was going through my mind as I was typing that post. There is alot of utility, perfect for a foundation for a limited job.

[Shurrikhan]

Maybe it would've worked if SMN was a "Limited" job instead, but since it's a regular one...yeah, no.

It would of worked if it were just... classified as something inherently broken/excluded/imbalanced/half-as*ed. Okay.

[Exodus-E]

It would of worked if it were just... classified as something inherently broken/excluded/imbalanced/half-as*ed. Okay.

"Broken" and "imbalanced" perfectly describe BLU (as well as the whole concept behind "Limited job").
That's exactly why they're "excluded" from DF's match-making, as well as certain content.

"Half-as*ed" though?
Objectively wrong.
Especially with the latest spells they've introduced.

True, AST still uses "cards" but the cards have been stripped of what the class identity was about, which is bacially reading fate, and bending it to your benifit, thats why post shadowbringgers had an rng card system that felt like it did something. Now we get Balance, but its every single card, there is no longer any choice, no longer any fate to bend. Not to mention, AST also had TIME MAGIC which SE all but completely did away with, that was part of AST identity, and its been robbed.

And yet, the fact that it still uses cards for "reading and influencing fate" still remains.
Even if the cards themselves have been "stripped" (or rather "optimized", considering 90% of the time people favored the old Balance), its identity as presented in its lore/quest-line is definitely intact.

And bard...you cannot tell me that that class's "songs" are what identify that class. That class is not a BARD, that is a RANGER that was forced to take piano class in highschool. Even its Traits tell the story perfectly, NONE of them have to do with song, music, or even increasing the songs you have, its all about the next arrow shot, and i can guarentee, if SE changed the skins of the songs today to something more nature or animal like, and changed BRD (bard) to RGR (Ranger), the class would make total sense. Bard as it is now has little in the way of music, or what a final fantasy bard actually is and plays like.

Yes they do.
Exactly as presented in FF14's universe ever since Legacy (1.0):
Bards are expert archers that have the power to fortify both themselves and their allies through (magical) songs.

The bottom line in all of this is that what you proposed earlier would be completely changing the established lore for not only the job itself (that we've had since the very start) but also the rules/foundations this game works on.

[Shurrikhan]

"Half-as*ed" though?
Objectively wrong.
Especially with the latest spells they've introduced.

Throwing more baubles onto a dungheap doesn't suddenly make it cohesive or polished.

SMN is far from perfect, but it certainly doesn't need to join BLU in being a gimmick that half pretends at being a job.

[Exodus-E]

SMN is far from perfect, but it certainly doesn't need to join BLU in being a gimmick that half pretends at being a job.

I didn't agree with turning SMN into a limited job (I'd rather it stayed as a regular one as well).
All I said was that the original poster's list would be more in line with that concept, considering how broken/imbalanced his suggestions were.

[Shurrikhan]

I didn't agree with turning SMN into a limited job (I'd rather it stayed as a regular one as well).
All I said was that the original poster's list would be more in line with that concept, considering how broken/imbalanced his suggestions were.

Ahh, my apologies, then, for reading just your last post/reply and taking it out of context. I just hate the idea of reducing yet another enjoyable job concept to an awkward minigame enough that I definitely jumped the gun there, even if given as a solution only in jest or by comparison. Sorry about that.

[P0W3RK1D]

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No, they didn't.

• AST still relies on cards as its main mechanic.
• SCH still relies on faeries as its main mechanic.
• BRD still relies on songs as its main mechanic.

And speaking of BRD, and while it did receive a major rework back in 4.0, it still focuses on its songs (even if they work differently).
Hell, it even kept the same songs it originally had (minus Foe's Requiem), so its identity is very much intact.

Sorry bro I got to knit pick that one right there for a bit ^

I play almost exclusively healer role
True, AST still uses "cards" but the cards have been stripped of what the class identity was about, which is bacially reading fate, and bending it to your benifit, thats why post shadowbringgers had an rng card system that felt like it did something. Now we get Balance, but its every single card, there is no longer any choice, no longer any fate to bend. Not to mention, AST also had TIME MAGIC which SE all but completely did away with, that was part of AST identity, and its been robbed.

SCH - out of all the healers, I main this class, and i can tell you from experience that sch uses faries, and its even part of its core identity, but its main mechnaic of control and differention has been severly reduced, and even the war-tatician and weakness identifyer part of sch's identity has been a bit... ignored., and with each expansion as SCH looses more and more control, and even more of its spells the class dwindels on an idenity crisis, if its not their already

And bard...you cannot tell me that that class's "songs" are what identify that class. That class is not a BARD, that is a RANGER that was forced to take piano class in highschool. Even its Traits tell the story perfectly, NONE of them have to do with song, music, or even increasing the songs you have, its all about the next arrow shot, and i can guarentee, if SE changed the skins of the songs today to something more nature or animal like, and changed BRD (bard) to RGR (Ranger), the class would make total sense. Bard as it is now has little in the way of music, or what a final fantasy bard actually is and plays like.