Healers Angry when PLD Clemencies

[Gramul]

I just use it to self heal whenever I go under 50%. Never got any complaints, but that really seems like a silly thing to get upset about

[Jeeqbit]

I just use it to self heal whenever I go under 50%. Never got any complaints, but that really seems like a silly thing to get upset about

It's not really. Most competent healers will also only heal under 50%, so you are effectively not letting the healers even use their off-global heals which would be far more efficient, or making them waste their heals because you already did a heal in the same moment.

[Fynlar]

Tbf part of being a good healer is paying attention to what your party is up to, especially AST.

I'd rather they stay on top of their own role first before they worry about the minutiae of what everyone else is doing.

You know how the flight attendants always tell you to get your own oxygen mask on first before you worry about others? It's basically like that.

[ZedxKayn]

I'd rather they stay on top of their own role first before they worry about the minutiae of what everyone else is doing.

You know how the flight attendants always tell you to get your own oxygen mask on first before you worry about others? It's basically like that.

I did say a good healer. So they can do that. They can observe what their party is up to to figure out who to raise first, how to raise them, who to card, and such.

[kaynide]

That's not 'that level of min-maxing.'

It's recognizing that a Holy Spirit is worth more than a Glare.

Honestly, an attitude that some people have in this community is that any level of play beyond 'I queued up' is 'advanced level min-maxing' and that's just not true. Recognizing that a number is higher than another number is a basic part of playing this game, and you're expected to recognize it.

And bear in mind the context--it's when someone is claiming that using Holy Clemency is to free up healer dps--we're already at that context of min-maxing so suddenly going 'harumph well, we don't need to do that level of min-maxing' as a retort is just bad argumentation. If you have 'freeing up healer dps' in mind, then you're in a raid dps mindset and if you're in a raid dps mindset, Holy Spirit > Glare. It's a well meaning idea that doesn't work out.

The OP topic is about healers getting angry when a PLD uses Clemency. My entire post line has been clearly towards non-end-game use of Clemency, where I have said it just doesn't really matter that X is better than Y when we're not going to be in the instance more than like, 25 minutes. And we're 99% guaranteed to clear it.

Could the PLD put out more DPS doing Holy Spirit? Sure. Not my point. I was simply saying should the PLD decide they want to use Clemency (which I think is fine) the healer has the option of just doing more DPS, or... not?

The content of most of the game just doesn't demand a player be at that level, so it's a disservice to "teach" a new player that they should never use Clemency, or that they should even need to worry about thinking that deeply about it.

I'm of the mind that I see someone interested in playing a Tank, and I want to encourage that without making them feel like they have to do 3D chess about what they should or shouldn't do in casual play. More tanks = faster queues for everyone.

I have nothing to add to endgame raids as I don't do them and you could be entirely right there, but that's not the part of the game I'm talking about.

[Fynlar]

I did say a good healer. So they can do that. They can observe what their party is up to to figure out who to raise first, how to raise them, who to card, and such.

If you're a "good healer" I probably wouldn't be feeling compelled to use Clemency in the first place, nor would you be getting butthurt in the off chance that I did -- so I'm not sure what your angle is here.

[ZedxKayn]

If you're a "good healer" I probably wouldn't be feeling compelled to use Clemency in the first place nor would you be getting butthurt in the off chance that I did -- so I'm not sure what your angle is here.

Maybe not you, but I've got PLDs spamming clems at 40% in the past, and it's mostly that extent that drives healers up the wall.

There's even someone claiming to do it at 50% on this very page

[Fynlar]

The exact percentage of health they do it at honestly isn't as important as the rate their HP is declining versus the rate the healer is restoring it.

But then, good healers would know that already.

[Artemiz]

The problem with these debates is they always get derailed by a small minority who insist on talking about savage content. A content which 5% of players have cleared. That's like filtering advice about football through the lens of "will it work against Manchester United in the champions league final in front of 90,000 at Wembley?" even though your team mates in Sunday league are overweight and hungover and play around all the dog poo on the local pitch.

We don't need to offer advice to savage players, they should already know by then what to do and it's very organized content where you are quite likely to play with people you already know very well in a static format. Talk to your healers if you're not sure.

Advice is very useful to newer players, playing older/easier content or to players trying out a new role or job. To these players I say if you feel the need to use it, use it. A clear which "wasted a GcD" is far better than a wipe that didn't. you have a tool kit, use it. If your healer has so little empathy in random groups doing random content that they want you to go down to 5% HP before they deal with your health then they can't moan when you take matters into your own hands. Don't spam it, you have healers for a reason but by all means pop it if you feel it's needed. Any healer who gets angry at a tank popping Clemency in Copied Factory really needs to work on their social skills and anger management, frankly.

[ZedxKayn]

The exact percentage of health they do it at honestly isn't as important as the rate their HP is declining versus the rate the healer is restoring it.

But then, good healers would know that already.

How so? How does the rate at which the HP falls matter when I'm specifically saving heals until their health is low enough to make the best use I can of my bene or ED?