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    Alexander rates from 2017 and current rates are not comparable. Cross-world party finder only came out during the final tier of Alexander, which made a massive difference to savage accessibility.

    There are differences in the level of interest in savage even within regions and even between different worlds, so not all of NA is the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Alexander rates from 2017 and current rates are not comparable. Cross-world party finder only came out during the final tier of Alexander, which made a massive difference to savage accessibility.

    There are differences in the level of interest in savage even within regions and even between different worlds, so not all of NA is the same.
    Regardless, Savage clears are in the minority and what has to be in savage doesn't reflect the rest of the game. It's a completely different environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemiz View Post
    Regardless, Savage clears are in the minority and what has to be in savage doesn't reflect the rest of the game. It's a completely different environment.
    The way kits are used in harder content is in a much more optimal way that in casual content, you can play at savage level in casual content, but not casual level in savage content, the OP asked how to use clemency so yeah people are going to talk about the best way to use it (or not) regardless of the type of content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caurcas View Post
    Savage/Ultimate skill balance is the only balance that matters. Other content is irrelevant. Clemency is largely worthless here, ere go it either needs a rework or change. Also savage has way more than 5% participation.
    Savage has a 5% CLEAR rate on NA servers. Balance matters in all content, right from Sastasha. Not sure why you're talking about balance though, it's not part of my post at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemiz View Post
    Savage has a 5% CLEAR rate on NA servers. Balance matters in all content, right from Sastasha. Not sure why you're talking about balance though, it's not part of my post at all.
    Data please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caurcas View Post
    Data please.
    This was by February, it will be higher now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia View Post
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    Nothing to do with ongoing talk, just wanna make sure I understand the chart; I'm on Tonberry, so it means:

    The right end, where we see 97.7%, that's just saying "Of those that did E4S, 97.7% have also cleared E8S, 23.9% E12S ?

    And what is EmX?

    Otherwise, that's awesome that 20ish% are clearing savage. And also interesting to see what certain servers might cater to.
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    Last edited by kaynide; 06-06-2021 at 10:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    Nothing to do with ongoing talk, just wanna make sure I understand the chart; I'm on Tonberry, so it means:

    The right end, where we see 97.7%, that's just saying "Of those that did E4S, 97.7% have also cleared E8S, 23.9% E12S ?

    And what is EmX?

    Otherwise, that's awesome that 20ish% are clearing savage. And also interesting to see what certain servers might cater to.
    I'm not sure about EmX either, but for the other percentages, yes.

    So whenever people claim that only 5% of the playerbase does savage, they forget to (or choose not to sometimes) precise, on Crystal. And do note this only counts the last floors of each tier, the lower the floor is, the higher the clear % is!
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    Last edited by ZedxKayn; 06-06-2021 at 10:38 PM.
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    I don't do the endgame stuff, but it's always good to know what's going on in the game as a whole.

    I'd be interested to know what the average % of those who just did a 1 and done (like me for non-savage) vs those that do it weekly or regularly.

    I guess people who do it enough to actually clear it want to do it regularly enough to milk all the gear they can get out of it (I mean, they put in the effort so why not).

    Is it a fair assumption that the 20% who have cleared it are also doing it regularly while it's current?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    And what is EmX?
    Just a guess as this isnt my data or anything, but im thinking its Emerald Extreme. The chart was tracking mount ownership as a proxy for clear rates, and emerald does also have a mount available. Though it only takes 8 clears for the full static to get the savage mount, and the drop rate for the gwibber is much worse then that.
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