6.0 Story Speculations

[KageTokage]

I don't think it's anything that elaborate, personally, and it bears mentioning that the other translations of the game clarified that the "dreamer" is a distinct entity of its own.

Fandaniel's musing about Emet-Selch "finding a way" to do something suggests Zenos was tampered with somehow, and given the latter's tendency towards random sentiment when confronted with the nostalgic, I'm still leaning towards Zenos bearing a familiar soul and having been given memories of the Final Days out of a desire for him to in some small capacity be the person he once was.

It would also be a bit of an ironic twist if that brief moment of whimsy ends up nearly damning the world as I'm getting the impression those dreams of the Final Days are playing into Fandaniel's scheme somehow. Having someone with constant nightmares control a "dreamer" that has countless people under its thrall could be a perfect way to recreate the circumstances that led to the Final Days in the first place.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The Final Days were noted as spreading across the world like a disease, with it initially manifesting as isolated incidents of natural disasters and spontaneous creation, but their frequency and scale increased until nobody was spared.

I feel like we're probably going to stop it before it gets particularly bad (Unlike the Amaurotines who didn't seem terribly concerned about it until it had already reached apocalyptic levels), though it seems obvious that Thravnair at minimum is going to get hit hard by it.

They were concerned with it though. They literally talk about how they had been researching all of the phenomenon as much as they could.

[Riastrad]

I don't think it's anything that elaborate, personally, and it bears mentioning that the other translations of the game clarified that the "dreamer" is a distinct entity of its own.

Fandaniel's musing about Emet-Selch "finding a way" to do something suggests Zenos was tampered with somehow, and given the latter's tendency towards random sentiment when confronted with the nostalgic, I'm still leaning towards Zenos bearing a familiar soul and having been given memories of the Final Days out of a desire for him to in some small capacity be the person he once was.

It would also be a bit of an ironic twist if that brief moment of whimsy ends up nearly damning the world as I'm getting the impression those dreams of the Final Days are playing into Fandaniel's scheme somehow. Having someone with constant nightmares control a "dreamer" that has countless people under its thrall could be a perfect way to recreate the circumstances that led to the Final Days in the first place.

Not sure about having an individual who only has an emotional response of joy from killing be the perfect way to summon living nightmares. It would have to come from those under him , but they are only able to venerate Garlemald. Zenos is not afraid in those dreams at all. He seems in his element in fact.

Again, I don't think the dreamer is Zenos. I think Zenos is in fact the dream of the dreamer. Part of what caused the final days.

[KageTokage]

Not sure about having an individual who only has an emotional response of joy from killing be the perfect way to summon living nightmares. It would have to come from those under him , but they are only able to venerate Garlemald. Zenos is not afraid in those dreams at all. He seems in his element in fact.

Again, I don't think the dreamer is Zenos. I think Zenos is in fact the dream of the dreamer. Part of what caused the final days.

Assuming the "you-know-what" and the dreamer are one and the same, it's safe to assume the thing is some manner of primal Zenos is able to control using his Echo, which by extension would make the Telophoroi and those trapped in the towers bend to his will as well.

The entity in question is strange for the fact that its victims were mentioned as not remembering anything after being cured, though, but if it has no real will or thoughts of its own and is acting more on pure instinct, it would just make it all the more easy to be used as a tool.

While we do know the towers are summoning primals and leeching aether from the land, I feel disinclined to think that's all they're doing with that ominous light and haze they're sending into the sky, and I feel like Zenos may be projecting his dreams of the Final Days onto the people trapped in the towers in order to forcibly recreate one of the conditions that heralded the world's end.

[BlitzAceRush]

Assuming the "you-know-what" and the dreamer are one and the same, it's safe to assume the thing is some manner of primal Zenos is able to control using his Echo, which by extension would make the Telophoroi and those trapped in the towers bend to his will as well.

The entity in question is strange for the fact that its victims were mentioned as not remembering anything after being cured, though, but if it has no real will or thoughts of its own and is acting more on pure instinct, it would just make it all the more easy to be used as a tool.

While we do know the towers are summoning primals and leeching aether from the land, I feel disinclined to think that's all they're doing with that ominous light and haze they're sending into the sky, and I feel like Zenos may be projecting his dreams of the Final Days onto the people trapped in the towers in order to forcibly recreate one of the conditions that heralded the world's end.

I think this too, and it goes back to what I said prior, as Emet said, whatever caused the final days, it caused their creation magic to run rampant and they made manifest their greatest fears, they created the terminus, now weather those were their fears, or whatever the "sound" was projecting into them what it wanted them to make, is another matter, but we lack the ability to do the same, but the towers + summoning + "you know what" + Zenos = close enough it seems.

The other alternative I could think of is Emet and co got it totally wrong, and they didn't manifest the terminus, they let them in, judging from Danny's crystal the "sound" might be able to "infect" people, if so perhaps if it can emass enough energy, back then it was the Ancients, today it's the towers sapping the land, it can rip open a portal to wherever it resides, perhaps it's end goal is to be "let in" and Zodiark stalled it and the sundering stopped it, for now at least.

[Alleo]

Well uh, Fandaniel is planning something with a “dreamer” and considering the trailer...it seems like the final days will be that horrible lmao. Keep in mind, for all we know the things affecting the planet itself could’ve been whatever caused the sound in the first place, the terminus beasts were simply a bi-product of the sound with the Ancients it’s unfortunate victims.

We do know though that it was not only the attack of the beasts that bascially ended the Ancients. The whole planet was dieing, which is why Zodiark need two rounds of sacrifices. One to stop the final days and the other to bascially bring life back to the planet. I would be very surprised if our final days would go that far because we seemingly would not have a way to change that and everybody would just die. Seeing how we already know that we will win (since the story will go on beyond 6.0) and seeing how Yoshida already said that we wont have a situation like the end of 1.0 where a lot was changed I doubt that we would have a worldwide situation where the seas are boiling, the wind stops blowing and more.

Even in the trailer we mostly saw huge armies of beasts attacking. Of course all of my speculation could be wrong but I really doubt that we will get such a huge world ending event like the old days. Maybe it would go that far but we somehow stop it?

The Final Days were noted as spreading across the world like a disease, with it initially manifesting as isolated incidents of natural disasters and spontaneous creation, but their frequency and scale increased until nobody was spared.

I feel like we're probably going to stop it before it gets particularly bad (Unlike the Amaurotines who didn't seem terribly concerned about it until it had already reached apocalyptic levels), though it seems obvious that Thravnair at minimum is going to get hit hard by it.

True we will probably have much more destructions in zones that we do not know (and I kinda wonder if maybe we will help rebuilding all of that in the next expansions) but I think we will stop the worst from happening.

They were concerned with it though. They literally talk about how they had been researching all of the phenomenon as much as they could.

They did but at the same time we have two NPCs talking about that in Amaurot who were like "should we actively help them or not?" So I guess they may have watched what was happening around the world and may secretly thought about ending it but only started doing something when bascially their city was under attack. I kinda wonder if maybe Azem was the only one really out there trying to help as many people as they could, maybe even finding out what it was but then it was too late?

[EaraGrace]

In hindsight, and in the context of this convo, there’s an interesting line in the Encyclopedia Eorzea that I wanna throw out there.

In the Encyclopedia, there’s a creation myth written by Lewphon of Sharlayan which describes the birth of the Twelve and the world itself. It starts with:

In the beginning there was neither light nor darkness. Only the Whorl.

From the Whorl comes the Twelve. Some emerge from it, while others are described as being “beckoned by it.” It’s also said the Whorl alternates between being active and “slumbering.”

And for many days and nights was the world calm, the gods content in the order which now reigned supreme.
That is until the Whorl woke from its slumber and beckoned forth two final deities- Byregot and His younger sister Halone.

My first thought, a while back, was this was just a reference to the Aetherial Sea as seen in the Antitower:



But from what I understand, that’s not actually the shape of Sea, but simply the magics used to pry open a viewpoint.

Then there’s the spirals showing up and the Twelve getting a 24 man story.



I’d also point out another term for the spiral shape of a mollusk or nautilus shell is a whorl, an interesting coincidence given the Sharalayn use of the nautilus shell as a symbol.





Then there’s this line from the selfsame book about the Sharlayans use of it on their flag:

In addition, men have believed that mollusks lived forever from time immemorial

Given the book was released during Stormblood, it’s a bit of a far out theory, but maybe there’s something there?

[Alleo]

@EaraGrace: Nice find and a interesting read. If it has some kind of truths there could be so many ways in which this could go.

Could that "mollusks" maybe be the true will of the star? And in the time of the Ancient it slept until it woke up again (maybe randomly or maybe because the aether was in utter chaos through the use of creation magic over time?) and released either the sound directly or something that then created the sound?

What if its bascially the dreamer? Fandaniel knows that it sleeps but with enough chaos, or maybe just enough aether it will wake up again thus unintentionally destroying the world again?

Maybe Sharlayan follows this "god" and believes it to be the one true will of the star thus also believing that they will live on and be spared by it?

All of course pure speculation. Maybe its nothing at all.

[EaraGrace]

@EaraGrace: Nice find and a interesting read. If it has some kind of truths there could be so many ways in which this could go.

Could that "mollusks" maybe be the true will of the star? And in the time of the Ancient it slept until it woke up again (maybe randomly or maybe because the aether was in utter chaos through the use of creation magic over time?) and released either the sound directly or something that then created the sound?

What if its bascially the dreamer? Fandaniel knows that it sleeps but with enough chaos, or maybe just enough aether it will wake up again thus unintentionally destroying the world again?

Maybe Sharlayan follows this "god" and believes it to be the one true will of the star thus also believing that they will live on and be spared by it?

All of course pure speculation. Maybe its nothing at all.

Yeah I’m still in the “don’t get Master Matoyaed again” mindset with this so I’m hesitant to say anything tooooo confidently xD.

It’s just odd we never hear about the Whorl again, despite the myth being a synthesis of the different ones Lewphon collected around Eorzea. You’d think someone would have said it in the context of the Twelve at some point. If it’s just another word for the Aetherial Sea then perhaps most people just don’t think to use that term. If not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Zohar_Lahar]

Are 6.x speculations okay? I'm hoping they'll put the Four Archfiends of FF4 in as trial boss series in the later story patches (or as part of the "new story arc" from 6.1+).