Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)

[KizuyaKatogami]

I mean we already at least know about his stance with his own father who simply wanted to save Eorzea. (And we know how that would have ended if he was not there?) Alisaie also does not talk that greatly about him either, saying that he barely even stayed in contact with his kids. And now he was shown as someone straight up disowning his children while others are there too.

I think it should be quite reasonable that not everyone still likes him and thinks of him as an awesome person.

? Alisaie literally speaks highly of him in SB lmao, and so does EE. It says he respects people’s decisions to pave their own path even if he disagrees and it’s why he let them go on their own, so they could do their own thing. She literally says he’s a good dad lol

[Alleo]

Each to their own, I guess, but I don't see the sadism of Yotsuyu and Misijia as being much different to that of the Warrior of Darkness and Scions at this point. Not after the deliberate and sustained physical and mental torture of a medic on the battlefield, cruelly cutting down her friends and comrades right in front of her as she begged for mercy. Not just once but twice - with ample opportunity to take her as a prisoner - and then in the final confrontation she is cut down like a rabid dog.

I mean the scions do not even take part in Bozja and Yotsuyu killed and tortured civilians. I am not exactly sure where the WoD or the scions ever did something similar.

I also did not do the new Bozja zone so I have no idea whats going on there but in the old zones, we are in a war. Of course we will kill the enemies and unlike real life where medics are often just there to threat the wounded these "medics" bascially are warriors themselves. Just because she can also throw out a healing spell does not change the fact that she will surely kill us too if we just stand there and do nothing. (If she has more than one confrontation that also means that she decided to battle us more than once)

Honestly if Misijia just fought against us like a normal soldier and then we got her captured and got asked what to do with her, I could see her being sympathetic because she would (just like we are) just be a soldier in a war. But she was more than that. She spied on us, she captured and tortured Mikoto. She then tempered the minds of her former comrades (and I doubt all of them were horrible to her) and then turned them into monsters. She went beyond a normal soldier.

I am still not seeing how we are even close to that.

? Alisaie literally speaks highly of him in SB lmao, and so does EE. It says he respects people’s decisions to pave their own path even if he disagrees and it’s why he let them go on their own, so they could do their own thing. She literally says he’s a good dad lol

I looked at the 5.55 cutscenes again and I guess I remembered it a bit more harsh then it was (or maybe its the german version who is that? Cant confirm it right now since I am on a break). But at least when Graha ask her if he is simply concerned for their wellbeing she is kinda like "maybe?". He seemingly never discussed his work with them and Alphinaud does answer that he never replies to their letters, its alway their mother.

[KizuyaKatogami]

(If she has more than one confrontation that also means that she decided to battle us more than once)

Erm...after the first time(which actually, even the first time we're technically invading their territory). It’s literally us hunting her down lmao. She’s tending to her people in the 2nd and third fate and we’re sent to cut her and her people down as she pleads for us to stop. The WoD ain’t in the right here no matter how people want to spin it. It’s war yes but...it’s war mainly caused by the missteps of the Bozjans. If i had any say in the matter i’d have sided with the IVth in a heartbeat because they definitely seemed better than the Bozjans were, and the head bozjan leader even semi-agrees because he literally uses their rules and laws as a guide for the future bozjan laws.

[Theodric]

It's a war, yes, though there's generally a consideration of 'etiquette'. I don't mind that it happened, I just hope the 'heroes' don't cry foul next time that sort of thing happens to them.

More importantly, though, it is the Resistance, Eastern Alliance and the Eorzean Alliance who have been the aggressors in the conflict with Garlemald for a while now. Ever since Stormblood, really. Again, understandable in the name of 'freedom' but eyebrow raising that they demand everybody else moves on from their problems yet insist that, when they see benefit in it, lost territory needs to be regained for their own use.

Though, naturally, actually engaging with content and soaking up everything around it is important when having a conversation about such content. I keep forgetting that a lot of the regulars here only really dabble in the MSQ's.

[Alleo]

I mean the conflict that was talked about in the meeting (that saved Eorzea) was not just the war. It was bascially a moon falling onto Eorzea and later Bahamut. That just not war. If the scions did not intervere this primal of pure rage would surely not just stop at Eorzeas border. After all it was meant to be a new calamity. (As far as I remember Lousioux came because of that)

None of the city states hated Sharlayan for not coming to them when the battle to take back Ala Mhigo or Doma happened. Heck I dont remember them even mentioning them much.

They only now wanted Sharlayans help because it was a world wide problem. They knew the towers popped up in Doma too and we know from the trailers that they are all over the world. Honestly I am not even sure if the scions truly wanted them to fight at their side or to simply just give them knowledge. Something which they did not give.

But I guess I should stop posting now after all I seemingly have no clue what I am talking about since I have not finished every single content in the game. (Which is only Bozja part two right now, I have after all read about Eureka) Way to try and stiffle conversations.

Edit: Interesting part about Etiquette. I dont remember that our enemies stops attacking us when I am going there as a healer and do nothing. I also remember quite a lot that we had a fate where one woman and her unicorn tried to escape Garlemald because they wanted to put her pet down. Even when she begged for her life she was still attacked and without our help she would have been captured and probably killed. They surely should read up about their etiquette too.

[Theodric]

Yes, she chose to flee Garlemald and hand over secrets that would result in her former comrades being slain. As a traitor and a saboteur it makes sense for her former allies to be displeased with her - and that's exactly the same reaction that we've seen from the likes of the Eorzean Alliance whenever they have been shown to hunt down traitors and saboteurs. They, too, had their reasons for seeking to flee. In the case of Yotsuyu and Misija, what the Garleans offered was far better than what their former people offered. Another saboteur that springs to mind is 'The Ivy' from way back in ARR.

Ultimately it's all a matter of perspective. There's no real winners or losers in war, history is written by the supposed 'victors' and hypocrisy is ever present on both sides in the pursuit of survival.

I'm not sure where the idea of 'stifling discussion' is coming from. That was not my intention. I merely assume that if people are weighing in on something then it's because they've experienced it already. If I went to go and discuss the latest episode of a TV show, I don't think it'd be unreasonable for me to be expected to have watched it.

[KizuyaKatogami]

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Edit: also remember quite a lot that we had a fate where one woman and her unicorn tried to escape Garlemald because they wanted to put her pet down. Even when she begged for her life she was still attacked and without our help she would have been captured and probably killed. They surely should read up about their etiquette too.

Apparently you should read up on the story more. She was a Garlean defector. She was the one doing experiments on the Monoceros. She then realized after awhile it isn’t what she wanted and decided to defect, steal the Monoceros, and work with the resistance. That’s a crime and it goes both ways. Resistance defectors have also been shown in Bozja working with the IVth and we’re told to cut them down lmao.

[Lauront]

I don’t think every possible reading makes him out to be stupid or a jerk. I think people are just being purposely ignorant towards him because he verbally hurt “their children.” If he has them in his mind and he is doing what he’s doing for the betterment of the world, which is entirely possible, then no that isn’t really stupid or him being a jerk. I would hope the writers don’t just repeat past story contrivances because that’s extremely lazy. But based on how much we know currently i don’t think it’s going to be anywhere as simple as everyone is making it out to be. People need to get over that someone was actually “harsh” to the twins for once lmao.

Fourchenault, not being a poster on this forum, is obviously very stupid or a jerk.

[Rosenstrauch]

After lazing about and replaying Breath of the Wild for the past few days, I finally got around to... collecting Triple Triad cards.

4th-make Cuchulainn
This former zealot of the IVth Legion was reborn by the power of auracite in the likeness of Cuchulainn the Impure of Ivalician legend. While he shares his name with a renowned voidsent, this is believed to be no more than coincidence.

4th-make Shemhazai
A IVth Legion Zealot transformed by the power of auracite into a twisted monstrosity resembling Shemhazai the Whisperer of Ivalician legend. She is believed to hold sway over the spirits of the netherworld.

Just... neat little snippets of lore attached to the cards, as per usual.

EDIT: Also, talking with Marsak and Baj to see if they have anything new to say.

Marsak, on the Dalriada's lackluster performance:

Marsak: Ah yes, the Dalriada. It was, without question, the greatest weapon in Gabranth's arsenal. That he chose to deploy it here showed he was desperate to maintain control of Bozja.
Marsak: According to Bwagi, it was a fleet of warships led by the Dalriada that brought the resistance factions in Rabanastre to a standstill after Doma gained its freedom.
Marsak: Ground units managed to disable the barrier protecting the city, and the bombardment that followed razed the city to the ground in minutes.
Marsak: Possessed of such power, I was surprised they did not engage us with the Dalriada before claiming their prize from the ruins. Try as I might, I could not figure out the why of it.
Marsak: After the battle, we searched the ship's wreckage for survivors, and the imperial soldiers we rescued, no doubt grateful for our assistance, provided me with an answer.
Marsak: If they are to be believed, the Dalriada was not, in fact, armed for battle.
Marsak: Was the warship then brought here solely for the purpose of retrieving the Allagan relic? Or was his army merely bereft of resources?
Marsak: In the case of the latter, it would not bode well for his forces that struggle even now to maintain their hold on Dalmasca and Nagxia. Perhaps now is the opportunity Lady Fran has been waiting for to rout them once and for all.

Marsak, on the topic of Misija:

Marsak: Why did she save us? With naught save conjecture to guide me, I know it is not my place to speak of her motives, but she is all that occupies my mind of late.
Marsak: She always resented the people of Bozja. The customs and traditions that would forever make her lesser in the eyes of most. Even in her final moments, I suspect her hatred for us yet burned in her breast.
Marsak: The others no doubt hate her in kind, but they do not know her as I do. They have not heard the doleful stories of her youth.
Marsak: Her childhood was a life of squalor and hunger, digging through garbage for scraps to sell that she might make ends meet.
Marsak: For her, Bozja's subjugation was a blessing. They introduced a system of welfare that afforded her the chance to be educated, and ultimately a path to the most prestigious institution of imperial learning.
Marsak: It was there, I assume, she was trained in espionage. She told me when we reclaimed Bozja, she wished to be a professor, nurturing brilliant young minds in a new age of peace and prosperity. Despite everything she has done, I still believe a part of her truly longed for that future.
Marsak: She sided with the IVth Legion, aye, but it does not change what she believed in─peace, equality, and freedom for those willing to fight for it. And fight she did...
Marsak: I believe she remained true to those convictions in the end. One last act in the name of the peace and equality she never knew as a child.
Marsak: Indeed, it was an act befitting her lineage, I should think. It was ever the queen's duty, after all, to protect the people of Bozja. But I think she did it not for us so much as for the harmonious future she believed we might achieve.
Marsak: Oh, Misija... Though I failed to save you from the darkness, I take solace in knowing the queen's grace could guide you to the light.
Marsak: Perhaps if I had been more open with her, if she knew how I truly felt for her─
Marsak: <sigh> I suppose it's too late to think about that now...

Bajsaljen, on the topic of Bozja's future:

Bajsaljen: The battle for Bozja is over, but our work is far from finished. Indeed, one might say the true battle begins now, as the various factions of the Resistance seek to fulfill their individual agendas.
Bajsaljen: Which is why I wish to first create a council of their leaders that we might discuss and establish laws to govern all of our people.
Bajsaljen: I have already begun drafting documents that may one day serve as our constitution, though it remains to be seen if they will meet with the others' approval.
Bajsaljen: You see, I have chosen to base a number of my writings on the principles of the IVth Legion.
Bajsaljen: Many would argue it is a misguided plan, but I have no intention of doing this in secret. The peoples' trust requires honesty, and I have no intention of repeating the mistakes of our forebears.
Bajsaljen: A great many of us did not hesitate to join the Resistance, some even giving their lives for our cause, but we mustn't forget there were those who chose to remain in the imperial provinces. And though it was a singular instance, Misija was persuaded to join the IVth Legion despite pledging herself to our cause. I cannot help but consider Gabranth's point of view. The philosophy behind his leadership.
Bajsaljen: To discard everything that came as a result of the occupation would cause more harm than good. There are many things introduced by the imperials from which we stand to benefit, and it would be foolish to dismiss them simply because they came from the enemy.
Bajsaljen: Make no mistake─the Bozja I intend to build will be free of discrimination and poverty. A nation of the people, by the people, and for the people. As such, it will require the understanding and cooperation of all.
Bajsaljen: A great deal of blood has been shed that we might come this far, and I pray we never forget, that we may never again have to endure such tragedy.
Bajsaljen: Once a constitution has been ratified and the foundations of our governing body are in place, we will hold an election, that the people may choose officials they believe best represent their ideals.
Bajsaljen: If all goes to plan, the first of many elections will be held within the next two years. When next you visit Bozja, I should think you will be proud to see the nation we have become.

[Caurcas]

Yes, she chose to flee Garlemald and hand over secrets that would result in her former comrades being slain. As a traitor and a saboteur it makes sense for her former allies to be displeased with her - and that's exactly the same reaction that we've seen from the likes of the Eorzean Alliance whenever they have been shown to hunt down traitors and saboteurs. They, too, had their reasons for seeking to flee. In the case of Yotsuyu and Misija, what the Garleans offered was far better than what their former people offered. Another saboteur that springs to mind is 'The Ivy' from way back in ARR.

Ultimately it's all a matter of perspective. There's no real winners or losers in war, history is written by the supposed 'victors' and hypocrisy is ever present on both sides in the pursuit of survival.

I'm not sure where the idea of 'stifling discussion' is coming from. That was not my intention. I merely assume that if people are weighing in on something then it's because they've experienced it already. If I went to go and discuss the latest episode of a TV show, I don't think it'd be unreasonable for me to be expected to have watched it.

Let's set aside the fact than Garlemald's whole purpose of existence and creator was to be an agent of chaos/sacrificial lamb. The majority of the major Garlean aligned characters are, for lack of a better word, Madmen. Valens, Nael, Varis, Zenos, Yotsuyu, Asahi, etc... Sure we get a couple that break the mold in the form of Gaius and Regula, but the majority are walking war crimes. So claiming any type of grey morality, outside of a few situations, is wishful thinking at best. As for Misijia, much like Yotsuyu, her character and crappy "redemption" arc ruined the story for me. It would have been better to let her skull of been ground to paste beneath the WoL's boot in DR>