Healers Angry when PLD Clemencies

[ReiMakoto]

You can, if you apply the 0.7x multiplier from Tank Mastery. My post has been updated to reflect this.

I still don't think youre making a fair comparison, you're comparing plds burst phase, including an off global(which you should realistically remove cos off globals arnt competing for casts, or at least if you are to compare them charitably include assize), to WHMs standard spam. An added comparison with whm subbing in a misery would be a bit more charitable of a comparison.

Honestly this is a complete non issue in the first place because realistically there should never be a situation where youre having to compare the two cos I cant even remember the last time ive had to gcd heal a tank with anything other than a lily, dungeon content is so undertuned that even trying to argue about potency saves between a healer healing and a tank healing is a total meme as anyone remotely competent keeps both people with 100% damage uptime.

[Rongway]

Honestly this is a complete non issue in the first place because realistically there should never be a situation where youre having to compare the two cos I cant even remember the last time ive had to gcd heal a tank with anything other than a lily, dungeon content is so undertuned that even trying to argue about potency saves between a healer healing and a tank healing is a total meme as anyone remotely competent keeps both people with 100% damage uptime.

I'm not the one that brought up potencies/DPSvalues. I was just replying to someone else who said they'd rather the PLD uses Clemency so that they can spam more Holy because "Holy does more damage".
I merely qualified their statement, "only until PLD learns Holy Circle".

I still don't think youre making a fair comparison, you're comparing plds burst phase, including an off global(which you should realistically remove cos off globals arnt competing for casts, or at least if you are to compare them charitably include assize), to WHMs standard spam. An added comparison with whm subbing in a misery would be a bit more charitable of a comparison.

It's a fair comparison because

• if we're talking about using Clemency after learning Holy Circle (I am), then we're absolutely talking about a lost Holy Circle, not a lost Total Eclipse
• Requiescat is on a 60s cooldown, low enough that it is usable at least once in every trash pull
• Holy Circle's boosted potency is only available under the effect of Requiescat, so it's appropriate to include Requiescat at the start of the calculation
• WHM's oGCD attacks do not affect Holy

[TheRealQuah]

I think the point everyone is missing is that no one should be using Clemency in party content.

[SwordswornFox]

I think the point everyone is missing is that no one should be using Clemency in party content.

I think its more accurate to say, "If you need to use Clemency in party content, something has gone very wrong."

[Banriikku]

I am "main healer" and honstly i dont understand some arguments. It sound to me more like "you dont need to heal because i am pld. Please dps." ? Thats absolute ridiculous and weird just the opposite of the usual argument "healer need to dps". Both arguments are complete exaggerated because it is only explaining that extreme and are for nomal runs never applicable.

Also are the comparison "pld burst vs whm dps" (not even burst just spam) is also just a training for the mind. I only encounter healing checks difficult enough to make it necessary to GCD heal in Ex or Savage content, never in normal. The only reason in normal to heal with GCD is something happing for example: Players ignoring mechanics and/or stand in bad. Players dont look for their gear (undergeared and/or broken gear). Etc.

Back to the topic. I am not looking at the castbar of my teammates at all. Its not my job to monitor players. My job is their health and the health of the opponents. So i do not care if a paladin is casting clemency. I only will say something if he starts spamming it because thats useless and not helpfull.

So if the paladin casting clemency to heal himself will make me do more dps and i will only see it on my OGCD's because i know roughly how many i need to heal in normal content so have some to spare. Still no reason to call out.

If people think thats the way then lets go and have fun but in all honesty clemency is not part of the rotation... same goes for provoke or superbolide. If you ask "i am good paladin?" then expect some honest answers. Casting clemency besides the already mentioned moments is just not good.

If thats your level and you say "but i want to play that way" - No problem its your decision but dont expect people to be dishonest.

I dont even know why this is a problem to begin with you cant stop a player from doing what he/she/they is doing anyway. Play to your hearts content and if somebody is rude then they probably breaking the TOS. So thats then a easy soultion i would guess.

[Comrade_uri]

I’ll say this for clemency. Mobs appear, I have some mobs already and I’m to lazy to move, clem and boom I get insta hate on them and they wander to me. Not 100% but it nearly always works.

[Lilyth]

I think its more accurate to say, "If you need to use Clemency in party content, something has gone very wrong."

Pretty much this. But definitely do not use it "whenever you can" as it has been suggested in this thread already.

[Shurrikhan]

I’ll say this for clemency. Mobs appear, I have some mobs already and I’m to lazy to move, clem and boom I get insta hate on them and they wander to me. Not 100% but it nearly always works.

This, similar to using Regen mass-tagging in FATEs to grab the first enmity event on mobs and therefore collect disproportionately from everyone else's participation. Cheeky, but effective.

To be clear, though, you'd have to already been on the mob's threat table for Clemency to gather them. If someone else got facepull threat, somehow... wasted MP and GCD, sadly.

[Quintessa]

SCH Main and my Wife is a PLD. She uses it whenever she can to help when needed, even in raids. Use it when you think it's needed, and if anyone complains, ignore them. It's in your toolkit, use it.

I guess your wife has never used Clemeny during the Excog window which would otherwise render it useless and wasting a recitation/Aetherflow. Or immediately after, or before any lustrates, which again is a wasted Aetherflow. All that has happened to me and I really don't like it, and I feel, given how important each Aetherflow stack is, any SCH would feel the same way, but alright.

[BeautifulNerf]

I'm lvl 80 WHM on my main, and lvl 72 whm on 7 alts (click on my profile name and go to <Characters) . Personally, I don't care what the tank does. I'll heal, and as long as the tank doesn't die. I'm cool with whatever.