Why you can't kick people in combat?

[ZedxKayn]

It doesn't matter. Just beat the raid. If you all wipe, you can initiate the kick before the next pull. If you didn't wipe, then there isn't a problem because you all got the clear.

Someone could wall themselves and refuse rezzes the whole fight and still "get the clear" because some people in the party decided to enable it.
That doesn't make it not a problem.

[Jeeqbit]

Someone could wall themselves and refuse rezzes the whole fight and still "get the clear" because some people in the party decided to enable it.
That doesn't make it not a problem.

It's not a problem. You know why? Because you were able to clear.

You take issue with someone being carried, but the problem with that is they could just unsync most content and get "carried" that way anyway. So what does it matter?

It's only a problem if it's preventing you from clearing the fight. It's only preventing you clearing the fight... if everyone wipes. If everyone doesn't wipe, then obviously the fight isn't difficult enough to require this "lazy" tank.

[ZedxKayn]

It's not a problem. You know why? Because you were able to clear.

You take issue with someone being carried, but the problem with that is they could just unsync most content and get "carried" that way anyway. So what does it matter?

It's only a problem if it's preventing you from clearing the fight. It's only preventing you clearing the fight... if everyone wipes. If everyone doesn't wipe, then obviously the fight isn't difficult enough to require this "lazy" tank.

So because I could clear people who put 0 effort towards getting the reward they will get while riding off other people's back is not a problem? That should be enabled? That's fine?

How are people fine with themselves doing shit like this knowing it impacts the rest of their party?
GCBTW

[Rongway]

We should be allowed to initiate a kick and vote during combat or while loot is up. The system should then delay the result until after combat and after any chests resulting from the fight are opened and after loot is distributed. That way the kick system can't be used to cheat someone out of loot, but the loot protection system can't be used to cheat the party out of a deserved kick.

It's way too difficult to kick someone who is idling at the entrance who only moves often enough to avoid getting idlekicked.

[Nanchi]

It's not a problem. You know why? Because you were able to clear.

What kind of backwards logic is that. Hypothetically speaking you're in a 2man dungeon, the other person does absolutely nothing for the entire duration of the dungeon let's say it's 90 minutes. You'll have to essentially play for 2 people, make it to the end and clear the fight. Is it still not a problem for the other person to not have pulled their weight? Given this happened in a larger instance and sadly not every party member will look at the chat or pay attention but that doesn't make bad play okay.

[Roeshel]

It's not a problem. You know why? Because you were able to clear.

Yes, there is because they will not be held accountable for their actions in the game. If we go by your logic if someone starts cursing and harassing random people because of their personal issues as long as you get the clear everything is fine. No, it is not.

Just in case you missed it.

You take issue with someone being carried, but the problem with that is they could just unsync most content and get "carried" that way anyway. So what does it matter?

People can't unsync dailies. Do unsync content all want, without bothering anybody. I am all for it.

If everyone doesn't wipe, then obviously the fight isn't difficult enough to require this "lazy" tank.

Why are people queueing for group content when they don't want to help the group with anything and instead just reap the benefits of the efforts of the other players? This is what irl parasites do. It is just ugly.

[Jeeqbit]

So because I could clear people who put 0 effort towards getting the reward they will get while riding off other people's back is not a problem? That should be enabled? That's fine?

It's happened for years in this game. It happens every single day. Maybe someone's cat jumped on their keyboard. Maybe someone knocked at the door and they went AFK. Maybe they just can't execute their 3-button combo without breaking it so they don't do much damage. Maybe they don't know how to gear properly so they are at the bare minimum item level.

These things happen all the time... and it doesn't matter because story content is not meant to be difficult enough to even require all of the participants.

What kind of backwards logic is that. Hypothetically speaking you're in a 2man dungeon, the other person does absolutely nothing for the entire duration of the dungeon let's say it's 90 minutes. You'll have to essentially play for 2 people, make it to the end and clear the fight. Is it still not a problem for the other person to not have pulled their weight? Given this happened in a larger instance and sadly not every party member will look at the chat or pay attention but that doesn't make bad play okay.

I was referring to 8-person raids specifically. In a dungeon, there are gaps between the fighting where you could kick them. There are no 2-person dungeons, so your example isn't relevant.

Why are people queueing for group content when they don't want to help the group with anything and instead just reap the benefits of the efforts of the other players? This is what irl parasites do. It is just ugly.

There could be all sorts of reasons, including the examples I gave. It's common for people to not be any good at the game because they are new. An average sprout can barely execute a combo, nevermind activate buffs. That's just how the game is and has always been and always will be.

I didn't say don't kick them if you wipe though. I just said that if everyone doesn't wipe, then maybe it's not difficult enough to require them and you may as well just clear.

Most people just queue into their dailies and mind their own business and do their own job well. As long as there isn't a wipe, there most likely isn't a problem... there are not usually enrages in story content. If you want a competent party of highly experienced players, pre-form the party before you queue.

[Roeshel]

Most people just queue into their dailies and mind their own business and do their own job well. As long as there isn't a wipe, there most likely isn't a problem... there are not usually enrages in story content. If you want a competent party of highly experienced players, pre-form the party before you queue.

I want someone who plays their role at the bare minimum instead of leeching. The tank did not attack once. I actually died during the fight at one point because the sch was busy healing the aoe eating paladin and the other healer was dead on the ground. The boss killed two of the dps by the time I was raised, the paladin had stance, did nothing but follow the boss.

[Nanchi]

I was referring to 8-person raids specifically. In a dungeon, there are gaps between the fighting where you could kick them. There are no 2-person dungeons, so your example isn't relevant.

What is the difference between 8-person raids and any other party comb? Matter of fact is, one player out of everyone in the group is leeching off by doing absolutely nothing, it doesn't matter in what content, end of the day they are expecting to get carried and then have a go at loot they should not be qualified to need/greed for at all.

[Jojoya]

Why are people queueing for group content when they don't want to help the group with anything and instead just reap the benefits of the efforts of the other players? This is what irl parasites do. It is just ugly.

I agree it's ugly but it's how some people are raised to think. It's up to others to provide for them, not for them to put in effort themselves to earn their way.

In years past, MMOs did allow kicks during combat but it got abused by players, mostly for loot purposes but also for general harassment. MMOs stopped allowing kicks during combat and humans being human, some choose to abuse the new system for personal gain.

Because there are no "penalty for non-participation" clauses written into games so friends can carry friends through content, the door is always open to leeching if people aren't being observant. Developers leave it up to the player community to self police in these situations. Either the majority agree to kick or they don't. Game Masters don't have the time to arbitrate every participation dispute.

Your healer continuing to heal wouldn't have accomplished anything if your party had come to a dead stop. If everyone except that healer and tank were in agreement the tank needed to be kicked, why did everyone keep running ahead? The rest of the Alliance would have noticed your party was missing and stopped, giving you a chance to initiate the kick.