Why you can't kick people in combat?

[Jeeqbit]

It doesn't matter. Just beat the raid. If you all wipe, you can initiate the kick before the next pull. If you didn't wipe, then there isn't a problem because you all got the clear.

[Roeshel]

If you didn't wipe, then there isn't a problem because you all got the clear.

Yes, there is because they will not be held accountable for their actions in the game. If we go by your logic if someone starts cursing and harassing random people because of their personal issues as long as you get the clear everything is fine. No, it is not.

[Awha]

Yes, there is because they will not be held accountable for their actions in the game. If we go by your logic if someone starts cursing and harassing random people because of their personal issues as long as you get the clear everything is fine. No, it is not.

Not saying I agree but I figured they might say something like cursing snd harassing are against the ToS being bad is not. Short from AFKing they could use sorry did not know not very good to defend their lack of trying.

[TroySoFab]

Is this one of those troll threads I keep hearing about?

[StriderShinryu]

I mean, if it was truly that terrible of an experience, you could have just left the duty.

Of course, if someone truly is leeching intentionally then that sucks but if you've tried other means and nothing has worked you can always drop yourself. Sure you'll get the leave penalty but if it's really that trying of an experience for you then maybe that's better for your mental health anyway.

[ZedxKayn]

I mean, if it was truly that terrible of an experience, you could have just left the duty.

Of course, if someone truly is leeching intentionally then that sucks but if you've tried other means and nothing has worked you can always drop yourself. Sure you'll get the leave penalty but if it's really that trying of an experience for you then maybe that's better for your mental health anyway.

You can't leave a duty when you're in combat.

But anyways it's BS that someone would have to get a penalty for someone else griefing. As if getting griefed wasn't enough of a punishment (for nothing) by itself already.

[ZedxKayn]

It doesn't matter. Just beat the raid. If you all wipe, you can initiate the kick before the next pull. If you didn't wipe, then there isn't a problem because you all got the clear.

Someone could wall themselves and refuse rezzes the whole fight and still "get the clear" because some people in the party decided to enable it.
That doesn't make it not a problem.

[Jeeqbit]

Someone could wall themselves and refuse rezzes the whole fight and still "get the clear" because some people in the party decided to enable it.
That doesn't make it not a problem.

It's not a problem. You know why? Because you were able to clear.

You take issue with someone being carried, but the problem with that is they could just unsync most content and get "carried" that way anyway. So what does it matter?

It's only a problem if it's preventing you from clearing the fight. It's only preventing you clearing the fight... if everyone wipes. If everyone doesn't wipe, then obviously the fight isn't difficult enough to require this "lazy" tank.

[ZedxKayn]

It's not a problem. You know why? Because you were able to clear.

You take issue with someone being carried, but the problem with that is they could just unsync most content and get "carried" that way anyway. So what does it matter?

It's only a problem if it's preventing you from clearing the fight. It's only preventing you clearing the fight... if everyone wipes. If everyone doesn't wipe, then obviously the fight isn't difficult enough to require this "lazy" tank.

So because I could clear people who put 0 effort towards getting the reward they will get while riding off other people's back is not a problem? That should be enabled? That's fine?

How are people fine with themselves doing shit like this knowing it impacts the rest of their party?
GCBTW

[Jeeqbit]

So because I could clear people who put 0 effort towards getting the reward they will get while riding off other people's back is not a problem? That should be enabled? That's fine?

It's happened for years in this game. It happens every single day. Maybe someone's cat jumped on their keyboard. Maybe someone knocked at the door and they went AFK. Maybe they just can't execute their 3-button combo without breaking it so they don't do much damage. Maybe they don't know how to gear properly so they are at the bare minimum item level.

These things happen all the time... and it doesn't matter because story content is not meant to be difficult enough to even require all of the participants.

What kind of backwards logic is that. Hypothetically speaking you're in a 2man dungeon, the other person does absolutely nothing for the entire duration of the dungeon let's say it's 90 minutes. You'll have to essentially play for 2 people, make it to the end and clear the fight. Is it still not a problem for the other person to not have pulled their weight? Given this happened in a larger instance and sadly not every party member will look at the chat or pay attention but that doesn't make bad play okay.

I was referring to 8-person raids specifically. In a dungeon, there are gaps between the fighting where you could kick them. There are no 2-person dungeons, so your example isn't relevant.

Why are people queueing for group content when they don't want to help the group with anything and instead just reap the benefits of the efforts of the other players? This is what irl parasites do. It is just ugly.

There could be all sorts of reasons, including the examples I gave. It's common for people to not be any good at the game because they are new. An average sprout can barely execute a combo, nevermind activate buffs. That's just how the game is and has always been and always will be.

I didn't say don't kick them if you wipe though. I just said that if everyone doesn't wipe, then maybe it's not difficult enough to require them and you may as well just clear.

Most people just queue into their dailies and mind their own business and do their own job well. As long as there isn't a wipe, there most likely isn't a problem... there are not usually enrages in story content. If you want a competent party of highly experienced players, pre-form the party before you queue.