Why is the healer class basically a one spell dps class?

[NYCLouisGamer]

nothing you've said here is correct

Clearly, SweetPete is quite correct as SE responded to the situation that SweetPete illustrated. SE will absolutely move towards reducing toxicity in order to increase accessibility. SE is hostile towards elitism to the point where they are okay with dismantling fun in the process.

See: healer gameplay changes over time & persistent ban on DPS addons.

Reality agrees with SweetPete.

[NYCLouisGamer]

AFK Netflixing DPS moonlighters replacing the ones sick of it? Trick of the light. Not happening.

I enjoyed that

[Acece]

Does utility even work in ffxiv? like speed buffs and cc. I've only started late stormblood so was there ever a use for them?

[Absurdity]

Does utility even work in ffxiv? like speed buffs and cc. I've only started late stormblood so was there ever a use for them?

Sure they "work" but with the engine and netcode being the way they are you can probably expect some delay on certain utility. Best example for what I mean would be Rescue where it takes about a second for the ability to actually register after you pressed it.


CC did have a place for a very very short time in early ARR dungeons, then SE nerfed them into the ground because people kept complaining about the difficulty and it simply became "pull everything and aoe it down" and consequently crowd control lost it's purpose.

[ty_taurus]

Sure they "work" but with the engine and netcode being the way they are you can probably expect some delay on certain utility. Best example for what I mean would be Rescue where it takes about a second for the ability to actually register after you pressed it.


CC did have a place for a very very short time in early ARR dungeons, then SE nerfed them into the ground because people kept complaining about the difficulty and it simply became "pull everything and aoe it down" and consequently crowd control lost it's purpose.

The sad thing is I feel like Utility and CC added a bit of character to the healers, even if it wasn't always important. And the thing is, we do still have some instances of utility that is useful without 'making things too difficult' such as the Stun on Holy. It's nice and useful against large pulls because you can delay their ability to damage the party. I miss having access to Miasma as a SCH that also inflicted Disease that reduced the healing enemies received. Sure, barely any enemies actually heal themselves, but it was piggybacked onto the DoT, so it wasn't just an empty button that never gets pressed *cough* Fluid Aura *cough*. There was no harm in just having that there and reaping the benefits for the few fights where it did matter, like Garuda EX.

I'd love to see some of that come back. There are a bunch of status effects I think would be nice to piggyback onto other, more consistent tools for the fun factor. Add in Confuse, Toad, Disease, Slow, and Blind. Attach them to tools that already function, and let us think about applying those things to enemies in Bozja or Fates while still getting to find value in those abilities during more regulated content.

[Kabooa]

CC did have a place for a very very short time in early ARR dungeons, then SE nerfed them into the ground because people kept complaining about the difficulty and it simply became "pull everything and aoe it down" and consequently crowd control lost it's purpose.

CC got removed because people were sleep-gating mobs. That in turn evolved into the standard two pack gates we see now.

[Dzian]

CC got removed because people were sleep-gating mobs. That in turn evolved into the standard two pack gates we see now.

Partly true but the person you quoted was also right. People were complaining about cc being too difficult in a ton of early content..

coil for example, with having to silence high voltage in turn 1 to having to heavy / bind the golem thing in t7 and sleep /repose something somewhere (its been so long.)

Some of the primal to If I recall. Having to bind or heavy certain moogles to keep them away from the king.

Even LotA where you had to silence ancient quakes, heavy those slime thingies to stop them reaching the boss. And various other stuff that alot of the early content had.

Sleeping trash in dungeons was just a tiny part of the reason.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Partly true but the person you quoted was also right. People were complaining about cc being too difficult in a ton of early content..

coil for example, with having to silence high voltage in turn 1 to having to heavy / bind the golem thing in t7 and sleep /repose something somewhere (its been so long.)

T1 ADS was a case of needing at least 2 jobs with silences in party when only 3 jobs had usable silences at that time. Future fights were designed so that such a situation would not happen again.

Some of the primal to If I recall. Having to bind or heavy certain moogles to keep them away from the king.

You never needed to do that versus Moogle Mog. The Primal CC problem was that Shield Bash allowed you to pretty much stun lock Ifrit HM forcing them to alter the way status effect resistance worked.

Even LotA where you had to silence ancient quakes, heavy those slime thingies to stop them reaching the boss. And various other stuff that alot of the early content had.

Ancient Quake was only silencable during the WoD trash fight with Xande's Clone (pretty much party just healed through it because no one knew that i could be silenced). You are more likely thinking of the Succubus trash mobs in LotA who turn out to have a silencable Fire II cast than no one ever messed with because it was easier to just dodge.

The Spells that could be silenced used to be a mystery and for the most part handled by dodging or healing until they updated the UI to identify interruptible Spells and gave all of the tanks Interject and the ranged dps Head Graze.

Sleeping trash in dungeons was just a tiny part of the reason.

Sleeping trash was pretty much counter productive from the start. The most use it had in active content was in Wanderer's Palace where you would delay the fist Tonberry Stalker from spawning by sleeping the NPCs fighting at the start.

[GrimGale]

So essentially CC was removed because it allowed players to manipulate the scripted battle events allowing them to control the pace of the battle to the point they could "cheese" mechanics. Same with SCH shields. Critlo-deployment could allow a raid to survive certain mechanics, so in order for players to "respect" the content they need their tools to be just strong enough to just jump through the hoops.

[P0W3RK1D]

So essentially CC was removed because it allowed players to manipulate the scripted battle events allowing them to control the pace of the battle to the point they could "cheese" mechanics. Same with SCH shields. Critlo-deployment could allow a raid to survive certain mechanics, so in order for players to "respect" the content they need their tools to be just strong enough to just jump through the hoops.

pretty sure thats just the fault of the level designers. Even classeic final fantasy games encounters and boss battles arent that scripted.