Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[LuciaMirain]

You know what else I was thinking. Inbefore vieras and hrothgars get more hairstyles we will probably see more hairstyles added to the other races......

[Iscah]

I would have been perfectly fine without male viera. I would have liked to have been able to play my veena AND look forward to seasonal events, AND hairstyle rewards.

I really think it can't be that simple. There's no reason for them to withhold purchased Mog Station hairstyles and other new styles if modifying them is a straightforward business and they go to the effort for Miqo'te.

Surely it must be something in how the data is stored and accessed rather than just that the models won't work and can't be adapted. And if it is, then it's a problem that will persist even if they add new Viera-specific styles.

[Akimori]

I really think it can't be that simple. There's no reason for them to withhold purchased Mog Station hairstyles and other new styles if modifying them is a straightforward business and they go to the effort for Miqo'te.

Surely it must be something in how the data is stored and accessed rather than just that the models won't work and can't be adapted. And if it is, then it's a problem that will persist even if they add new Viera-specific styles.

I believe they mentioned along the way its because of how Viera heads are modeled...like they modeled it in a different way compared to the other heads in the game which doesn't really play that well with the system they have for implementing hats and hairs (which is what we can all reasonable conclude is the reason for the major graphics engine upgrade/overhaul that is coming....whenever)

You know what else I was thinking. Inbefore vieras and hrothgars get more hairstyles we will probably see more hairstyles added to the other races......

I believe that 100% because thats whats been happening already T_T

[Iscah]

I believe they mentioned along the way its because of how Viera heads are modeled...like they modeled it in a different way compared to the other heads in the game which doesn't really play that well with the system they have for implementing hats and hairs (which is what we can all reasonable conclude is the reason for the major graphics engine upgrade/overhaul that is coming....whenever)

There was another recent interview quote posted on the forum clarifying that they are NOT working on a graphics upgrade at this point, simply looking into the possibility, but people misinterpreted the original statement.

[Akimori]

There was another recent interview quote posted on the forum clarifying that they are NOT working on a graphics upgrade at this point, simply looking into the possibility, but people misinterpreted the original statement.

well, thats why I stated "whenever" and with the recent interview, it seems they want to implement all hairs, but this system is a roadblock, so I at least thought it would be at least another 2 years before t he fabled graphics update

[LuciaMirain]

major graphics engine upgrade/overhaul that is coming....whenever)

and when is this magical thing happening? I feel like I keep seeing it everywhere?

I don't think it has anything to do with their heads since modders have ported all hairs and most of them look fine (gyr abania plait/2bs hair clips a bit with the ears). I think they just decided not to since it would be bad to do it for viera and not hrothgar where they would actually have to put in effort. Considering they keep fixing hairs for miqote and aura I think they just dont want to, not that they cant.
I am honestly expecting them to release a bundle of hairstyles for the two races, instead of one here and there. And I think they actually did a bad thing saying they were gonna do race-exclusive hairs to begin with since that is more effort than just adding the same hairstyle to all races. Now instead of just designing one hairstyle they have to design at least three. It wouldve been more efficient to just adapt the one hairstyle to fit the two races.

[Akimori]

and when is this magical thing happening? I feel like I keep seeing it everywhere?

I don't think it has anything to do with their heads since modders have ported all hairs and most of them look fine (gyr abania plait/2bs hair clips a bit with the ears). I think they just decided not to since it would be bad to do it for viera and not hrothgar where they would actually have to put in effort. Considering they keep fixing hairs for miqote and aura I think they just dont want to, not that they cant.
I am honestly expecting them to release a bundle of hairstyles for the two races, instead of one here and there. And I think they actually did a bad thing saying they were gonna do race-exclusive hairs to begin with since that is more effort than just adding the same hairstyle to all races. Now instead of just designing one hairstyle they have to design at least three. It wouldve been more efficient to just adapt the one hairstyle to fit the two races.

I agree with you there, but as someone pointed out, yes, modders were able to do it, but, from what I see, they're slapping the hairs right on the head and resizing them (which is what SE should do instead of making everything harder on themselves), but once again, the systems they use for it doesn't really make it that easy (which begs the question on why they decided to "model the heads differently" if it were going to cause such a big problem for them in the first place from a technical standpoint (barring the criticism from the playerbase)

Honestly speaking, as much as I love my bun queen and my lion man, I think it would have been better if they probably revealed Hroth and viera before SB launch (or not..who knows), but didn't actually release them until EW. Heres my reason why

Revealing them would have let the playerbase know that they're working on 2 races that could very well be the last racial update this game could see for a very long time if not forever

but they could have used like a year to make M and F viera (Animations, models, racial specific hairs, and any other assets they have), another year to make M and F hroth (Animations, models, racial specific hairs, and any other assets they have). Creating the 4 models would have taken the entirety of the stormblood Expansion. They they could have used the two year lifecycle of ShB to iron out any details and possible issues that would arise with them. I would have rather waited 4 years for a new race to be seen to completion rather than a race that still feels like beta (Viera) and another race that still seems like its in Alpha stages (Hrothgar) to be released

[Iscah]

I don't think it has anything to do with their heads since modders have ported all hairs and most of them look fine (gyr abania plait/2bs hair clips a bit with the ears). I think they just decided not to since it would be bad to do it for viera and not hrothgar where they would actually have to put in effort. Considering they keep fixing hairs for miqote and aura I think they just dont want to, not that they cant.

If it's so easy to fix, I have a hard time believing they'd rather put up with years of scorn over this than go to the small effort of pasting bunny ears onto things.

Also there's no modification needed for Au Ra because their horns sit in the same position as human ears so it doesn't affect the hair unless there's some kind of issue with the individual design. It's only Miqo'te that needs anything added to it.

[LuciaMirain]

I agree with you there, but as someone pointed out, yes, modders were able to do it, but, from what I see, they're slapping the hairs right on the head and resizing them (which is what SE should do instead of making everything harder on themselves), but once again, the systems they use for it doesn't really make it that easy (which begs the question on why they decided to "model the heads differently" if it were going to cause such a big problem for them in the first place from a technical standpoint (barring the criticism from the playerbase)

Honestly speaking, as much as I love my bun queen and my lion man, I think it would have been better if they probably revealed Hroth and viera before SB launch (or not..who knows), but didn't actually release them until EW. Heres my reason why

Revealing them would have let the playerbase know that they're working on 2 races that could very well be the last racial update this game could see for a very long time if not forever

but they could have used like a year to make M and F viera (Animations, models, racial specific hairs, and any other assets they have), another year to make M and F hroth (Animations, models, racial specific hairs, and any other assets they have). Creating the 4 models would have taken the entirety of the stormblood Expansion. They they could have used the two year lifecycle of ShB to iron out any details and possible issues that would arise with them. I would have rather waited 4 years for a new race to be seen to completion rather than a race that still feels like beta (Viera) and another race that still seems like its in Alpha stages (Hrothgar) to be released

I agree with you, they couldve just waited. I couldve lived without them for longer if I knew they were coming and that they would be compatible with the rest of the game. It is silly that they are so faulty as they are.
Actually modders have adapted alot around the existing hairs, and not just slapped on the hairs and resized, some have filled in the holes where the hyur ears usually are and so on. I refuse to believe that SE doesnt have the resources to do this. It must be a conscious effort to not do it for some other reason. Or else they couldve just said "sorry engine broken cant fix hairstyles, apologies". But we got nothing until recently.

[LuciaMirain]

If it's so easy to fix, I have a hard time believing they'd rather put up with years of scorn over this than go to the small effort of pasting bunny ears onto things.

Also there's no modification needed for Au Ra because their horns sit in the same position as human ears so it doesn't affect the hair unless there's some kind of issue with the individual design. It's only Miqo'te that needs anything added to it.

I refuse to believe a company like SE doesnt have the resources to then add a program that works to transfer the hairstyles if their current ones do not work. If the bun in the latest hairstyle can be moved to accomodate the horns of au ra and the ears of miqote there is no reason to believe it cant be done for viera. It wasnt accomodated for viera because SE covered their butt saying that vieras have special heads and will be recieving their own hairstyles. But at the start he actually said viera would recieve legacy hairstyles....then he backtracked and after that silence until recently. Nah, I dont buy it. They can, they just wont.