Healers Angry when PLD Clemencies

[Vahlnir]

This is one of those abilities that is in a bit of a weird position in party content. Personally, I view it as part of one's toolkit, therefore any and all use can be justified. On the flip side, I can also see how some healers view it as stepping on their toes when their entire job is to heal. So...I guess it's best to use it at one's own discretion.

[Hysterior]

Clemency is a GCD so using it means that you used that skill instead of a DPS skill
So spamming it means that your are currently making 0 DPS... which is obviously bad

Only use as a last resort and if with a WHM keep in mind they might let you go pretty low before using Benediction, so you don't need to use Clemency there

Great to use when healer is dead though, or time between the healer gets raised or boss/mobs are killed

[Vyrerus]

Clemency, like all healing skills, is a skill that is best used with foreknowledge of how a fight plays out.

In a general sense, a dozen or so people have already put it out right, "Use it when you think/know it will help."

From what I experience day to day, quite often healers will raise someone in general content, and then not do enough to prevent them from dying to the next raid wide. That's a good time to Clemency.

You can also use it sort of like an extra cooldown in dungeons. Like say your healer is a bit slow on the uptake, and they don't/won't use their whole kit. Your DPS are good, so you want to pull a lot, but the healer isn't, so you might die. You pull everything, and you rotate through every cooldown for one pull. Then the next, you can keep yourself up with Clemency, usually long enough for other CDs to come back. Just watch your HP and the activity level of the healer. If you know your HP is depleting faster than they're keeping up, and you've kept track of their oGCDs used on you in the last pull vs. the dungeon timer, than it's safe to Clemency, guilt free.

[Rongway]

Is your gear current for the content?
|
|-- No:  Update your gear so that you don't need to cast Clemency.
|
|--Yes:  Are you rotating your cooldowns effectively?
         |
         |-- No:  Use your cooldowns so that you don't have to cast
         |        Clemency.
         |
         |--Yes:  Have you died yet?
                  |
                  |-- No:  You don't need to cast Clemency.
                  |
                  |--Yes:  Have you died twice or more?
                           |
                           |-- No:  You don't need to cast Clemency.
                           |
                           |--Yes:  Did you ask the healer to heal you
                                    at a higher %HP after the first death,
                                    but they let you die a second time
                                    anyway?
                                    |
                                    |-- No: You don't need to cast
                                    |       Clemency.  The healer needs
                                    |       to heal you sooner.
                                    |
                                    |--Yes: You don't need to cast
                                            Clemency.  You need a new
                                            healer.

A competent healer is going to let you get lower than you're comfortable with because they know they have five different ways to heal you instantly almost to full. WHM and AST have actions that heal more the closer you are to 0. SCH has a heal that triggers when your HP drops below half. All have multiple ways to heal you without wasting a GCD. Let them do their jobs.

[Absurdity]

As Hysterior said, it is an emergency tool, as last resort when not using it could lead to a wipe.

While you're casting Clemency on yourself you are not only not doing any dps but also using up a resource that is needed for dps, your MP.


And no, you spamming Clemency on yourself does not mean that your healer will do more dps and that will somehow make up for you doing 0.

Any competent healer will already be dpsing while keeping the party alive, and any cure bot will not dps even if they have nothing to heal, they will just stand there and do nothing until you run out of mp and your health drops again.

[Mesarthim]

The only time I take issue with Clemency is when they use it so much that they're basically throwing away their own damage to "give me time to do more damage".

I have oGCD heals for that. The same oGCD heals some Paladins have wasted and turned into 100% overheals because they keep casting Clemency when it isn't necessary. There is a time and place for it. If it prevents wipes yes use it. If it wastes the healers oGCD heals which are already instant instead of doing damage yourself then who are you really helping?

[Eldevern]

Most of time, you don't really need it. But when you are the only one remaining with a DPS, Clemency+Divine Veil can be pretty usefull to save a clear.

[Iscah]

From what I experience day to day, quite often healers will raise someone in general content, and then not do enough to prevent them from dying to the next raid wide. That's a good time to Clemency.

I feel like there's an awkward gap between reviving someone and being able to target them again to start casting heal spells. If it's a DPS who got raised and the tank is now in trouble or mechanics happen in the meanwhile, I might not get back to the DPS who I was ready to heal but couldn't.

[Vyrerus]

I feel like there's an awkward gap between reviving someone and being able to target them again to start casting heal spells. If it's a DPS who got raised and the tank is now in trouble or mechanics happen in the meanwhile, I might not get back to the DPS who I was ready to heal but couldn't.

There's several awkward gaps in regards to death. Not being able to target them due to the raise repositioning them. Not being able to raise them, because they got knocked off the edge, and there's another repositioning delay. You see their HP zero, but they're untargetable because they're out of range.

I lose DPS more than I care to admit, because I like to be Johnny-on-the-spot when it comes to raises, but always forget about the delay on their body being repositioned on the platform.

[Jeeqbit]

It usually annoys healers because it implies you think they are struggling to heal, and it's at the expense of you dealing damage.

So, make sure that the healer is actually struggling and ask these questions.

• Is it a sprout healer?
• Is their health significantly lower than that of the DPS? (indicates lack of gear)
• Have they been casting heals constantly, and it still not been enough to sustain you?
• Has anyone previously died?
• Have they not been casting any damage spells? (sign they are not comfortable enough with healing to deal damage)

Use these points as a tally. How many of them are true? The more that are true, the more alert you should be. But don't clemency just because of these points.

• Are you at 5% health, or is your health diving fast (33% per second)?
• In HW content, would a 2.5 cast not be enough, but a 1.5 heal cast be enough?
• Is the healer trapped (encased in ice and unable to heal)?
• Is the healer dead, not caught up, disconnected or do you have no healer?

These are the only moments you should bother to clemency in my experience. These situations are extremely rare, but do happen.

If your health is reducing by 33% per second, consider if you are using mitigation well in that situation, and see if you can adjust how you mitigate at that part. If you were mitigating fine then it may be a healing issue, it's just rare. Try to trust and respect your healer as much as you can unless it gets to these extreme moments.