Healers Angry when PLD Clemencies

[Krotoan]

If I see someone just ressed or a healer eats something harsh I can and will throw def buffs and heals. The most "entertaining" stories I have about these are healers then standing in bad to type out scoldings and dying.

People who are interested in clearing stuff won't care and some will even thank you. It's not strictly optimal but unless you're running bleeding edge savage stuff one cooldown isn't going to make or break and to be totally fair PLDs rotation while tanking is pretty boring (though I'm probably doing it wrong).

If it's in your kit, use it as you see fit. MOST people appreciate someone using their entire potential instead of nose to the grindstone rotation.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Clememecy

General rule is: if you think that cast will prevent situation to go south (i.e. you will die and mobs mow your party alive), by all means -use it-.

This of course requires a bit knowledge on how each healers do their job. You are generally ‘safe’ as long as your HP is only treading anywhere down to 20%. Below that you may want to start asking the question: cast or nah. Then again, the worst that could happen is only a wipe in times of misjudgment. Beyond that point, healers tend to be more lenient with your Clemency usage.

If the healer took that as an offense, then that’s on them. Honestly it doesn’t took much effort to reassure you (the tank) that your life is safe in their hands in chat. This is what I did to random DF tanks & 9 out of 10 time they would start Holy Spirit/Circling away like nuts afterward, it’s satisfying.

[Burmecia]

General rule is: if you think that cast will prevent situation to go south (i.e. you will die and mobs mow your party alive), by all means -use it-.

☝this, kinda like this

sneaking in clemency if needed within requiescat window is pretty useful i've learned

[Vahlnir]

This is one of those abilities that is in a bit of a weird position in party content. Personally, I view it as part of one's toolkit, therefore any and all use can be justified. On the flip side, I can also see how some healers view it as stepping on their toes when their entire job is to heal. So...I guess it's best to use it at one's own discretion.

[Hysterior]

Clemency is a GCD so using it means that you used that skill instead of a DPS skill
So spamming it means that your are currently making 0 DPS... which is obviously bad

Only use as a last resort and if with a WHM keep in mind they might let you go pretty low before using Benediction, so you don't need to use Clemency there

Great to use when healer is dead though, or time between the healer gets raised or boss/mobs are killed

[MoonPhaseAlpha]

Only use as a last resort and if with a WHM keep in mind they might let you go pretty low before using Benediction, so you don't need to use Clemency there.

Aye, trust in your healers.

And if you end up dying in a dungeon due to lack of heals, understand that the healer might be new and still learning the job in various game encounters. Give them a chance. Discuss in party chat so you're both on the same page if needed. Trial and error is bound to happen in leveling dungeons. Patience goes a long away as well as communication.

[Vyrerus]

Clemency, like all healing skills, is a skill that is best used with foreknowledge of how a fight plays out.

In a general sense, a dozen or so people have already put it out right, "Use it when you think/know it will help."

From what I experience day to day, quite often healers will raise someone in general content, and then not do enough to prevent them from dying to the next raid wide. That's a good time to Clemency.

You can also use it sort of like an extra cooldown in dungeons. Like say your healer is a bit slow on the uptake, and they don't/won't use their whole kit. Your DPS are good, so you want to pull a lot, but the healer isn't, so you might die. You pull everything, and you rotate through every cooldown for one pull. Then the next, you can keep yourself up with Clemency, usually long enough for other CDs to come back. Just watch your HP and the activity level of the healer. If you know your HP is depleting faster than they're keeping up, and you've kept track of their oGCDs used on you in the last pull vs. the dungeon timer, than it's safe to Clemency, guilt free.

[Iscah]

From what I experience day to day, quite often healers will raise someone in general content, and then not do enough to prevent them from dying to the next raid wide. That's a good time to Clemency.

I feel like there's an awkward gap between reviving someone and being able to target them again to start casting heal spells. If it's a DPS who got raised and the tank is now in trouble or mechanics happen in the meanwhile, I might not get back to the DPS who I was ready to heal but couldn't.

[Vyrerus]

I feel like there's an awkward gap between reviving someone and being able to target them again to start casting heal spells. If it's a DPS who got raised and the tank is now in trouble or mechanics happen in the meanwhile, I might not get back to the DPS who I was ready to heal but couldn't.

There's several awkward gaps in regards to death. Not being able to target them due to the raise repositioning them. Not being able to raise them, because they got knocked off the edge, and there's another repositioning delay. You see their HP zero, but they're untargetable because they're out of range.

I lose DPS more than I care to admit, because I like to be Johnny-on-the-spot when it comes to raises, but always forget about the delay on their body being repositioned on the platform.

[Rongway]

Is your gear current for the content?
|
|-- No:  Update your gear so that you don't need to cast Clemency.
|
|--Yes:  Are you rotating your cooldowns effectively?
         |
         |-- No:  Use your cooldowns so that you don't have to cast
         |        Clemency.
         |
         |--Yes:  Have you died yet?
                  |
                  |-- No:  You don't need to cast Clemency.
                  |
                  |--Yes:  Have you died twice or more?
                           |
                           |-- No:  You don't need to cast Clemency.
                           |
                           |--Yes:  Did you ask the healer to heal you
                                    at a higher %HP after the first death,
                                    but they let you die a second time
                                    anyway?
                                    |
                                    |-- No: You don't need to cast
                                    |       Clemency.  The healer needs
                                    |       to heal you sooner.
                                    |
                                    |--Yes: You don't need to cast
                                            Clemency.  You need a new
                                            healer.

A competent healer is going to let you get lower than you're comfortable with because they know they have five different ways to heal you instantly almost to full. WHM and AST have actions that heal more the closer you are to 0. SCH has a heal that triggers when your HP drops below half. All have multiple ways to heal you without wasting a GCD. Let them do their jobs.