Healers Angry when PLD Clemencies

[Wolwosh]

I get angry with it when its the only cooldown they use, no Rampart etc at all. I always find it quite ironic that most tanks can find their damage up cd, but mitigation on Tankbusters ?????

[Hycinthus]

As Hysterior said, it is an emergency tool, as last resort when not using it could lead to a wipe.

While you're casting Clemency on yourself you are not only not doing any dps but also using up a resource that is needed for dps, your MP.


And no, you spamming Clemency on yourself does not mean that your healer will do more dps and that will somehow make up for you doing 0.

Any competent healer will already be dpsing while keeping the party alive, and any cure bot will not dps even if they have nothing to heal, they will just stand there and do nothing until you run out of mp and your health drops again.

Just want to provide clarification to the situation:
No, I was not spamming Clemency. I understand that there are others who do, but most PLD, hopefully, don't spam it.

Agree with everyone that it's a situational thing, there's no black and white. It's just that sometimes, the moment you don't use it, then it's a wipe. But the moment that you use it, it offends the healer. That's the gap I'm trying to lessen.

[SomeRandomHuman]

I use it mostly to self-proc divine veil or to help out the healers in 24 mans when the poop is hitting the fan to alleviate some pressure on them.

[Adeacia]

*angry healer noises*

I actually don't get mad when Clemency gets used. It's been very rare that I've had a PLD spam it on themselves as if they wanted to be at full hp at all times. I think I've seen that maybe twice in my years playing this game.

Most of the time I see it used is during moments I would consider a very good time to use it.

[Dzian]

From what I experience day to day, quite often healers will raise someone in general content, and then not do enough to prevent them from dying to the next raid wide. That's a good time to Clemency..

Most often than not this is mostlythe fault of the player getting raised imo. Either accepting it at a bad time ir when the boss has a big cast bar going. or jumping straight back into the fray and cancelling there raise immunity before a healer has chance to act.

As a healer I typically toss the raise out and then go back to doing whatever I'm doing. I dont sit around waiting for that raise to be accepted.

The other issue is many players seem to think hp is binary. It's either 100% or your dead.. there is no in-between..

Doing diamond on my scholar for example I can pop seraph veil the first outrage. Use angels whisper and the second veil. For the second outrage. And not bother curing. Why because after that the boss does a couple of autos and then does his dash sequence which is like 15-20 seconds where my fairy and the angels whisper regen will heal everyone to full. I'll typically top off with a succor while the boss is untargettable and everything is golden..

Many healers though. Will spam the living hell outbof aoe heals because omg there only at 50% hp..

[Artemiz]

It's a hard one to call because to get it right it requires raid awareness. Most of the time it won't be needed but if the healer is struggling with a huge work load it can be really useful. In my experience as a long time tank but poor healer, is healers tend to be most under pressure when too many people fail mechanics and are spread out as this significantly reduces the effectiveness of AoE healing. So if I'm doing 8 or 24 man content, the party is spread out, 1 member is down and the rest of us are low on health then use it, don't worry too much about healing others but keep yourself alive at least. I would also use Divine Veil as well in this situation.

On the other hand if you're the only one taking damage and the party is reasonably competent then leave the healer to do their thing, the best healers tend to let you get pretty low before dealing with it but obviously your responsibility there is to not take spike damage if you can avoid it.

In 4 man content it's almost never needed but you get one of those "herding cats" parties then go for it, if a healer chews you out for it then ignore and move on. I've never known healers get angry the PLD used clemency in that situation though.

[Theodric]

It's a useful tool. I use it if I see that someone has just been revived because I've seen a lot of players end up dead again due to not being healed after they've revived, even if they choose not to do any actions to lessen the chance of being hit by something. It's particularly the case in Alliance raids or Eureka/Save the Queen zones where it isn't unusual for multiple players to be dead at any given time.

[Arrius]

*angry healer noises*

I actually don't get mad when Clemency gets used. It's been very rare that I've had a PLD spam it on themselves as if they wanted to be at full hp at all times. I think I've seen that maybe twice in my years playing this game.

Most of the time I see it used is during moments I would consider a very good time to use it.

And that's the gist of it.
People know when this spell is needed or not. So let them use Clemency at their own discretion.

There will always be a few that use it in odd situations. Don't use them as a reference of Paladins being bad with Clemency, folks.

[Burmecia]

General rule is: if you think that cast will prevent situation to go south (i.e. you will die and mobs mow your party alive), by all means -use it-.

☝this, kinda like this

sneaking in clemency if needed within requiescat window is pretty useful i've learned

[Jennah]

There are basically four times to use Clemency:

1) In 4-man content when your healer is dead. The best part is that you generally only have enough mana to keep yourself and one other dps up; so you often get to PICK which dps lives and which dies
2) In Shadowbringers dungeons outside of Expert Roulette, when you have a healer who has level-skipped or is otherwise obviously struggling, and you've already used every single cooldown. Even then, generally only a single clemency.
3) To self-proc divine veil, when a boss is about to do a big roomwide AoE.
4) If you are trying to solo old content, and have just taken damage that was originally meant to be split between 8 people, or was meant to be an insta-wipe for failing a mechanic.

Any other time you use it you are playing VERY poorly; especially when you've hit level 80 and can use that mana for some serious damage every minute.