Parsers add replayability for casual players

[linayar]

Is not that a huge section of the community is "bad" people. Just people incredibly frustrated that they give it there all and have to grin and bear it when they are taken advantage by those that don't care, give it their all, or simply enjoy being carried by other. That frustration turns into anger, and currently that anger has no where too go.

I'm speaking more generally than that as far as player interaction and ToS violation are concerned.

Regardless of what you did and why, if SE finds you guilty of breaking their rule and enforces the "appropriate" punishment, it keeps order in check. Some may disagree on how much order should be kept in check, but the principle remains.

And a good community relies on law and order to be in place because people can behave badly toward other people. It's especially more important in communities where anyone can join (even if somewhat limited) by simply using a free trial account.

[SturmChurro]

And a good community relies on law and order to be in place because people can behave badly toward other people. It's especially more important in communities where anyone can join (even if somewhat limited) by simply using a free trial account.

Can't have that! Have to turn players into payers! If more hardcore PvE players leave due to having to carry everyone else on their backs, and their content gets cut... there will be 10.. 20(!) more casuals to take their place! I'd say.

[linayar]

Can't have that! Have to turn players into payers! If more hardcore PvE players leave due to having to carry everyone else on their backs, and their content gets cut... there will be 10.. 20(!) more casuals to take their place! I'd say.

And you know what? Designing content for non-hardcore PvE players might be easier for SE than designing an Ultimate. It's actually an incredible thing from my perspective that they even want to do Ultimate when they don't even have dedicated test team.

[Goji1639]

Is not that a huge section of the community is "bad" people. Just people incredibly frustrated that they give it there all and have to grin and bear it when they are taken advantage by those that don't care, give it their all, or simply enjoy being carried by other. That frustration turns into anger, and currently that anger has no where too go.

It's a pointless thing to get frustrated about. If I play a single player game on the hardest difficulty I still get the same ending as someone who facerolled it on easy. I play on hard to challenge myself, and I don't need it imposed on anyone else so I don't feel "cheated."

Save the frustration for if the content isn't getting cleared. Otherwise accept that you choose to push yourself because you enjoy it, not because it's necessary. If you don't like intermingling with people who choose to play the game on easy then then make your own party.

[Caurcas]

And you know what? Designing content for non-hardcore PvE players might be easier for SE than designing an Ultimate. It's actually an incredible thing from my perspective that they even want to do Ultimate when they don't even have dedicated test team.

Once again, "Harcore" content has a huge amount of participation on the JP side of things. JP is what SE focuses on, even if they don't like to admit it.

[linayar]

Once again, "Harcore" content has a huge amount of participation on the JP side of things. JP is what SE focuses on, even if they don't like to admit it.

I'm sure that helps, but it still doesn't change the fact that they did run into trouble with Ultimate and why they have to find better ways at doing it so hopefully they won't have to delay it in the future.

[SturmChurro]

I'm sure that helps, but it still doesn't change the fact that they did run into trouble with Ultimate and why they have to find better ways at doing it so hopefully they won't have to delay it in the future.

Ultimate was cut for Bozja, viera hair was put on hold for male viera, and we can't have a personal parser because of feelings. Facts don't care about feelings. A parser displays a number.

In my opinion.

[linayar]

we can't have a personal parser because of feelings. Facts don't care about feelings. A parser displays a number.

And that's why a parser doesn't care whether it exists officially or not. People with feelings are the ones wanting (or not wanting) a parser since a number is irrelevant by itself without people with feelings giving meanings to that number.

[Shurrikhan]

It's a pointless thing to get frustrated about. If I play a single player game on the hardest difficulty I still get the same ending as someone who facerolled it on easy. I play on hard to challenge myself, and I don't need it imposed on anyone else so I don't feel "cheated."

Save the frustration for if the content isn't getting cleared. Otherwise accept that you choose to push yourself because you enjoy it, not because it's necessary. If you don't like intermingling with people who choose to play the game on easy then then make your own party.

Your analogy here is precisely backwards, though.

All players matched together are necessarily using the same difficulty setting -- easy, for instance. You simply have a part of that group that'd likely otherwise fail that easy difficulty play-through (or take at least twice as long to complete it as a typical group to which easy mode at least holds some appeal) if the other members were as unengaged or unprepared as that part is.

And since XIV is, in fact, a multiplayer game, that does have an effect on others. Even if the party clear, that's still time lost specifically because either (A) someone who would not have otherwise cleared had to be carried through it, someone who has put an unfair burden on others or (B) someone chose to play at absolute minimum effort, disrespectful to other's time or modes of engagement.

Don't get me wrong, if the majority of a group wants to take things slow, even looking at each and every little lore tidbit strewn throughout a dungeon, that's okay -- that's what they decide and anyone who pulls mobs onto them in the middle of that can be rightly kicked for griefing. But if the majority of the group wants to actually engage with the combat as actual combat (rather than roleplay-fixture )or push themselves at least a little bit because that's when and where the combat really takes shape or stride for them, then it is disrespectful not to try to follow suit because your actions do have an effect on them. If one's uncomfortable with the typical speed, it only takes voicing up, but that should at least come from a point of one's limits for the moment, rather than one's preference somehow being worth as much as the rest of the party combined. Because, again, it is a multiplayer game and one's actions do therefore affect others.

[linayar]

Your analogy here is precisely backwards, though.

All players matched together are necessarily using the same difficulty setting -- easy, for instance. You simply have a part of that group that'd likely otherwise fail that easy difficulty play-through (or take at least twice as long to complete it as a typical group to which easy mode at least holds some appeal) if the other members were as unengaged or unprepared as that part is.

And since XIV is, in fact, a multiplayer game, that does have an effect on others. Even if the party clear, that's still time lost specifically because either (A) someone who would not have otherwise cleared had to be carried through it, someone who has put an unfair burden on others or (B) someone chose to play at absolute minimum effort, disrespectful to other's time or modes of engagement.

Well, helping people clear is what the duty finder is designed to do.

And I disagree about the "unfair burden" aspect when it comes to "easy" content. You're not doing anything that much more difficult when playing unless the other player is so bad to cause a wipe.

As a below-average player myself playing on a supposedly less raiding-focused data center, I rarely encounter wipes on Normal/Hard duties beyond the first week, and certainly very rarely on dungeons. And some of the wipes are intentional or just difference in commitment level (ancient flare).

In fact, some players even get bored and can actually have a bit more fun when other players aren't playing well. (This may change as the relative difficulty of the content increases, but we're talking "easy" contents here.)

Don't get me wrong, if the majority of a group wants to take things slow, even looking at each and every little lore tidbit strewn throughout a dungeon, that's okay -- that's what they decide and anyone who pulls mobs onto them in the middle of that can be rightly kicked for griefing. But if the majority of the group wants to actually engage with the combat as actual combat (rather than roleplay-fixture )or push themselves at least a little bit because that's when and where the combat really takes shape or stride for them, then it is disrespectful not to try to follow suit because your actions do have an effect on them. If one's uncomfortable with the typical speed, it only takes voicing up, but that should at least come from a point of one's limits for the moment, rather than one's preference somehow being worth as much as the rest of the party combined. Because, again, it is a multiplayer game and one's actions do therefore affect others.

It seems to me that the community already has ways to sort itself out when it comes to playing with other people.

Again, it seems to me that the problem is exaggerated, at least when it comes to "easy" contents.