Parsers add replayability for casual players

[Caurcas]

Gotta keep the illusion of the greatest community alive. Can't let the mask slip.

[Kolsykol]

Something interesting to note.

I lot of people laud FFXIV as a superior community.

Yet they say we can't be trusted with a parser.

Is the only thing that keeps our people in line the rigid rules that WoW players don't have to conform to?

Like, we're basically all a WoW community but just thoroughly muzzled in comparison?

Moreso that a small group of people can cause a lot of shit given the tools to do so.
I can't remember the exact stats, but I remember seeing some stats on Twitter and how it's a very tiny group of very particular individuals that make up for like 80% of all tweets on the platform.
People who also happen to be very toxic.

You're being a bit dramatic tho, ACT does exist and you won't get banned for using it.
If they didn't trust you with it they'd ban you.
A parser being part of the base game and the devs being okay with people throwing it in everyones faces would just embolden the small and toxic minority, and even tho it'd be not many people they'd still have a big impact on the overall community.

WoW has a ton of addons that are considered almost mandatory, I don't think that means Blizzard doesn't '' trust '' its players with the content in game as an official thing.
The FFXIV devs just don't want the parser to be a part of the base experience, but they're accepting and tolerating it as a thing that players can use if they want to.

[DPZ2]

Is the only thing that keeps our people in line the rigid rules that WoW players don't have to conform to?

Blizzard doesn't provide an in-game parser for their MMO.

It's not a question of trust, it's a question of "what game resources do we want to be developed given the company policies about harassment?". In the case of Blizzard, they have no policies, and the community suffers for it.

If you're on a PC, you can take advantage of the same things WoW players do in order to get your numeric fix.

The day Blizzard enables WoW to run on a PS4/PS5, you can start arguing about the necessity of a built-in parser because ... WoW. I highly suspect the ToS of Sony Playstation won't allow Blizzard to legally provide an add-on feature for their console.

[Caurcas]

Blizzard doesn't provide an in-game parser for their MMO.

It's not a question of trust, it's a question of "what game resources do we want to be developed given the company policies about harassment?". In the case of Blizzard, they have no policies, and the community suffers for it.

If you're on a PC, you can take advantage of the same things WoW players do in order to get your numeric fix.

The day Blizzard enables WoW to run on a PS4/PS5, you can start arguing about the necessity of a built-in parser because ... WoW. I highly suspect the ToS of Sony Playstation won't allow Blizzard to legally provide an add-on feature for their console.

I mean PlayStation recently announced it would allow Discord to integrate on the platform, so an official addon by a publisher isn't far fetched in the least.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

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You're misinterpreting the entirety of my post. I'm not talking about ACT.

I'm talking about an in-game parser being implemented.

Which happens to be the topic of this post.

Or at least being able to openly talk about numbers in a neutral, constructive or positive manner without being immediately reported.

[Goji1639]

Something interesting to note.

I lot of people laud FFXIV as a superior community.

Yet they say we can't be trusted with a parser.

Is the only thing that keeps our people in line the rigid rules that WoW players don't have to conform to?

Like, we're basically all a WoW community but just thoroughly muzzled in comparison?

The illusion that this is a nice community is one of the most impressive things SE accomplished with this game.

For how easy most of the game is I'd say this is pound for pound the most toxic MMO community out there. We're under virtually no mental strain in 99% of this game, yet all you have to do is peek under the surface to see how badly everyone here wants to tear each other apart. It's just that instead of it being about clearing content, like it would be in a difficult game, it's about the few minutes you might lose if a Healer isn't DPSing. The toxicity in this game is so special in that it's PROFOUNDLY petty.

But yea, through strict rules and bans on tools that promote toxicity SE has managed to sweep most of it under the rug. It may be the best magic trick in gaming history. Introducing parsers would lift the veil to some extent, though, so why would SE do that?

[linayar]

The illusion that this is a nice community is one of the most impressive things SE accomplished with this game.

It's not an illusion because nice doesn't mean perfect. You can have bad experiences in this game, and you can have good experiences in this game. People gushing about the community based it on their own experiences. YMMV.

[Goji1639]

It's not an illusion because nice doesn't mean perfect. You can have bad experiences in this game, and you can have good experiences in this game. People gushing about the community based it on their own experiences. YMMV.

It's important to understand WHY some people are having good experiences, though. The reason isn't because the community is full of good people; it's because SE runs this game like a mental ward. Any negativity or aggression will immediately get you locked down, we're not allowed to have any dangerous toys and the content is designed to be so easy it won't upset or exasperate us. Even with all that the community still can and does crumble in this game.

People citing the "nice" community as a reason we deserve parsers are seriously missing the point.

[linayar]

It's important to understand WHY some people are having good experiences, though. The reason isn't because the community is full of good people; it's because SE runs this game like a mental ward. Any negativity or aggression will immediately get you locked down, we're not allowed to have any dangerous toys and the content is designed to be so easy it won't upset or exasperate us. Even with all that the community still can and does crumble in this game.

As I said in an earlier post. You cannot separate a community and its rules and regulations, just like you cannot separate a nation and its laws and government.

The natural state of things is to go from order to disorder, so you need those who maintain order to get a nice community.

People citing the "nice" community as a reason we deserve parsers are seriously missing the point.

I understand that, but bad people kept in check still can make for a good community.

[Caurcas]

As I said in an earlier post. You cannot separate a community and its rules and regulations, just like you cannot separate a nation and its laws and government.

The natural state of things is to go from order to disorder, so you need those who maintain order to get a nice community.

I understand that, but bad people kept in check still can make for a good community.

Its not that a huge section of the community is "bad" people. Just people incredibly frustrated that they give it their all and have to grin and bear it when they are taken advantage by those that don't care, give it their all, or simply enjoy being carried by others. That frustration turns into anger, and currently that anger has no where too go.