So, new hair coming out... Just...

[Yandere-chan]

Over exaggerating on an issue they already stated the drawbacks before they release the race.
You on other hand trying to connect this to the racism is not only extreme and the worst of them all.

You personally being indifferent to the racial exclusion of hairstyles to Viera and seemingly overeager to brownnose for Square does not somehow mean others are exaggerating in their complaints towards the issue. It's unfair towards Viera players to have hairstyles continually excluded for them, especially when it isn't even that difficult a hurdle to cross, especially for how much time they have had to do so. It's also not like they are on the brink of bankruptcy. They are a multi-billion dollar corporation. It would of probably costed less than 30k USD to hire a third party modeler to port over the hairs to the slightly different shape of Viera's head. Modders are able to accomplish such feats w/o even seeing a dime. And, not even hairstyles made post their release work with them. It's an entirely neglected issue that is clearly brushed under the rug in regard to their communication to us. No amount of posturing on their behalf is going to change that for us. It's completely unacceptable and not even remotely reasonable at this point. If you want to complain so badly about all of us, by all means, make your own thread to do so if you think your position is so sound.

[PurinSato]

No, I'm pretty sure the word racism is in-fact "all about race." I imagine if I searched enough, that I could find an opinion for anything, but it does not mean I would agree with it just because it exists. It's also not my duty to try to convince myself of some absurd position on the word racism because you'd prefer I see it that way, presumably. A bit more on topic, this ultimately is a racial matter either way, as Viera are a race, it is thus racist in a literal sense in regard to the game race to continuously exclude them for content, in particular for greed, which is what I believe to be the main motivation ultimately driving this current state on the issue..

Lissen I get what you are saying, and I understand your are frustrated. I'm just underlining that the word Racism is very heavy. People get insulted, suffer from physical aggression and even die everyday just because they have different skin tone.
And I think its a bit too much saying SE and Yoshi P are racist. Call them Bunnyphobic, perhaps is better word with no heavy and real meaning attached to it!

I don't want to keep speaking about this, cuz I don't to bring politics to this thread or forum.
But please think about it!

Other than that I do agree with you! Let's keep making noise, let keep creating new threads every time a new hair is released and they are not available for us!!

[Yencat]

ffxiv team already said they plan to work hair and head gear. Do you just want them to say "hey guys, we still plan on working on this"? lol
I mean, I get it, some transparency would be nice.

I'd prefer for them to finally actually release something we can use, but otherwise yeah I'd like that very much.

Glad we agree.

It's great you're getting male viera, but what am I supposed to do with one? Wear him on my head? As a scarf maybe, but not on my head surely...

[Kolsykol]

Lissen I get what you are saying, and I understand your are frustrated. I'm just underlining that the word Racism is very heavy.

For the record so is sexism.
When you accuse someone of these things it's a very serious attack on their character which shouldn't be done lightly.
I have huge issues with people who accused the devs of being sexist too when female Viera was released and people were comparing them unironically to the Hrothgar as if they were the same race and spinning narratives about it.

Same with people flipping out because gear is different between genders sometimes and female characters get skirts while male characters don't.
Just because you are a bit irritated doesn't make it right to throw serious accusations like that out.
I mean in that case too, just because things are different doesn't mean that it's discrimination and sexism etc...
Men wearing skirts is kinda frowned upon socially, so it's not that insane that devs in a game give female characters that stuff when it adds more variety and quite frankly a lot of people do want it too.
The same way that men are often depicted as shirtless while women aren't and usually have like half their torso covered at all times at least.
Even when it'd be more accurate and equivelant of just having a bra.
One can say that they want skirts for male characters too etc, but it's another thing to start throwing the '' sexism '' word around, especially since that also assumes negative intent on the side of the devs which you couldn't possibly actually know.
Just because a woman shows belly or whatever and a man doesn't it doesn't mean that it's sexism ( not to mention the accusation only tends to happen when it's female characters ).

Accusing someone of being sexist or racist has very negative implications on their character and in worst cases can also do actual harm.
Being labelled like that can do a lot of damage.
It's not fair to just see a female character showing skin or a lack of hairstyles and then yell '' sexism/ racism '', because that in and of itself is not indicative of their actual views it's just how you interpret it and then project it unto them.
I quite frankly don't think that it should be done or assumed unless something very clearly like that is actually said and expressed in a more clear manner that isn't left to interpretation and assumption..

[PurinSato]

For the record so is sexism.
When you accuse someone of these things it's a very serious attack on their character which shouldn't be done lightly.
I have huge issues with people who accused the devs of being sexist too when female Viera was released and people were comparing them unironically to the Hrothgar as if they were the same race and spinning narratives about it.

Same with people flipping out because gear is different between genders sometimes and female characters get skirts while male characters don't.
Just because you are a bit irritated doesn't make it right to throw serious accusations like that out.
I mean in that case too, just because things are different doesn't mean that it's discrimination and sexism etc...
Men wearing skirts is kinda frowned upon socially, so it's not that insane that devs in a game give female characters that stuff when it adds more variety and quite frankly a lot of people do want it too.
The same way that men are often depicted as shirtless while women aren't and usually have like half their torso covered at all times at least.
Even when it'd be more accurate and equivelant of just having a bra.
One can say that they want skirts for male characters too etc, but it's another thing to start throwing the '' sexism '' word around, especially since that also assumes negative intent on the side of the devs which you couldn't possibly actually know.
Just because a woman shows belly or whatever and a man doesn't it doesn't mean that it's sexism ( not to mention the accusation only tends to happen when it's female characters ).

Accusing someone of being sexist or racist has very negative implications on their character and in worst cases can also do actual harm.
Being labelled like that can do a lot of damage.
It's not fair to just see a female character showing skin or a lack of hairstyles and then yell '' sexism/ racism '', because that in and of itself is not indicative of their actual views it's just how you interpret it and then project it unto them.
I quite frankly don't think that it should be done or assumed unless something very clearly like that is actually said and expressed in a more clear manner that isn't left to interpretation and assumption..

Oh 100% agree with you. In the end of the day this is just a game and I think throwing words with such heavy meanings it's not needed!

[Leloa]

They should have mentioned something at the fan fest and live letter about this... either tell people they are working on it or keep dreaming. I would like to go back to Viera but only if they fix the hair problem.

[xbahax92]

Hello??
As a male player with male character, I feel as much left out since patches. Why is every freaking hairstyle first of all unisex and second based for female characters??
I dont think this is about Viera and Hrothgar anymore. It's basically laziness in their design department.

[SturmChurro]

They should have mentioned something at the fan fest and live letter about this... either tell people they are working on it or keep dreaming. I would like to go back to Viera but only if they fix the hair problem.

Yeah, have they ever stated they were actually working on it, or just that we would get them.. eventually?

[Divinemights]

You personally being indifferent to the racial exclusion of hairstyles to Viera and seemingly overeager to brownnose for Square does not somehow mean others are exaggerating in their complaints towards the issue. .

First of all, you are exaggerating because you are trying to label "racism" on something they already announced before they release the race.
Secondly, modders can alter the the model because those files stay in their own computer (client) instead of sending that information to FF14 server. You don't even have a clue on what you are talking about. If server refuse just even on slight error to the client, client will crash. It is not that easy.
Third, you have no clue how Japanese or any asian company operates. They don't have the luxury just hire/fire freely as US company (who usually is ruthless). If they are hiring someone, it must be talented and undergoes series of training because company is going to think this employ with stay with them as their career. They also don't pay garbage like black hearted Blizzard, it is not that simple

Conclusion? Stop whining and just wait. They did follow through with male Viera and they definitely will get back to the head skeleton part of Viera when they have time.

[flipwizardmagoo]

The people asking about the purpose of this thread clearly don’t understand that venting and being exasperated are valid reasons to post. If no one said anything at all, would the situation get resolved? No, SE would think that everyone is pleased and fine with how things are being handled, and at this point that is unacceptable. Backlash like this should be expected by everyone, including SE, including people here.

It wouldn’t be an issue if they kept their promise to give us at least one new hairstyle. It wouldn’t be an issue if they at least addressed the unfair treatment we’ve gotten, if they at least said yes, one day you’ll get to enjoy the game in the same capacity as every other player or no, you will always be this limited and will have to live with this decision.

If they said we would never get another hairstyle or ever be able to wear hats, would I Fantasia? Probably not. I love being Viera and can’t imagine playing another race. However, if they were at least a little transparent, I wouldn’t be upset when the constant exclusion is beaten over our heads each time it happens. I would know to expect to be excluded every time and be fine with that because I know because the dev team has made me aware. But instead they keep us in the dark for some unknown reason, dangling us along, making us hope that someday we will be included, at least once.

I think this reaction is warranted. Plenty of players, myself and boyfriend who play Hrothgar included, were already having a hard time being excited about make Viera at all because SE hasn’t even fulfilled the small promise to give us something, anything. So releasing yet another hairstyle soon after having to digest being shoved aside for another limited race when making that promise come to fruition wouldn’t even be too hard is kind of like twisting a broken bone.

There’s no reason to get annoyed at multiple threads. It’s a forum, no one makes you click on them. It’s clear that anyone who thinks this shouldn’t be a public outcry by players isn’t affected by the situation or at least have no strong feelings toward it. When two plus years of being kept in total darkness results in nothing, what else do you do? Just give up? I don’t want to. I want to be confident in SE, I love this game and can tell the devs do too, but I wish I could feel that passion in every corner; unfortunately, my and so many other players’ corner is just collecting dust while everyone else’s gets polished.