Parsers add replayability for casual players

[SturmChurro]

I've been playing mmos all my life and the one I stuck with next to ffxiv was Blade and soul, I've played that competitively. That game was toxic from the get-go as is the norm with p2w games but once they added ingame parses everything became 10 times worse, as a new player it is absolutely impossible to do anything in the game. Everything is locked behind parsing numbers and if you did below a certain threshold people will not even look at you.

My little brother joined the game recently and is still a newbie, already received snarky remarks from various dungeon runs which he shrugged off, imagine the sheer amount of frustration and hostility if ingame parsing was allowed, you would not even be allowed to learn anything, it's either you reach this number or you suck. Just because some people on here think they have enough human decency to not be total douchebags, there are many in the game who don't shy away from being very unpleasant. I want new players to have a nice experience, we don't need systems that feed into toxicity. Ingame parses will ultimately harm the playerbase more than it will do any good. No matter how much people complain about it, at its core we have more casuals.

Does B&S actively ban players like FFXIV though?

Right now it isn't hard for a player to find another's parses via a certain website. Unless players explicitly hide them, it's already generally available for everyone to see. Someone using a particular program already knows who is actively under performing in-game as well. If it ever was made available in FFXIV, I don't see much changing aside from a player's perception of themselves, rather than harassment from others. Some would probably feel like the game itself was judging them.

[TaleraRistain]

You seemed to miss the multiple follow up posts about how it's not about it's quality it's about the fact that it's there in game. Good or bad it is official and a metric regardless of the quality of it, especially compared to parsers.

If you are going to quote me at the very least understand it's point instead of repeating what's already been said.

This debate about SSS brings up another point.

SE put in SSS and players don't use it and think it's wrong.

What happens if they did put in an in-game parser and their metrics are different than "that" third party software?

[Awha]

Honest question, are male in real life? Because this sort of mentality is exactly the sort I've seen in the past to legitimize an environment where women have jokes and sexual comments made about them.

Yes, but as stated I share the same stance for comments and jokes made about my views, having asd, how I dress etc . . . Which I still get comments about. Though I can see where you are going but even that I do not see as an issue because as with if someone says something hurtful about me I just move on no point leering what they say dwell around in my head I just go on my way.

I know people in my position would do what they can to reprimand or remove the elements from the team that make jokes at my expense especially given that they are part of my team and I have some say if who is on my team and who is not at work. Though I separate the work and personal actions of a person. Said people do good work so I keep them around. I am at work to work I do not need people to like me or even respect me for me to do my job and I have the same standard across the board with those on my team.

As mentioned I get my stance does not mess with with today’s climate I was raised by older parents. My parents had me extremely late in life so even though I am younger I have an old school mindset when it comes to many things, also does not help I have ASPD, and ASD. I am extremely rigid in my views. In short if no one physically acts on the harassment it is far easier to just take personal offense to it instead of rocking the boat. Do the work take the comments then move on.

Though I do understand for this mindset to work one has to be willing or able to separate both aspects and not let the negative dwell cause if they do it can cause personal issues in the long term. Just bottling everything up, that is why I say people need to get use to the fact that humans are dicks and stop trying to how or what people say to others with blanket responses and look for the context as stated generally I get the things said about me for the most part are not done out of hate. So why bare any ill will or try to teach them a lesson that will only build resentment and thus breed a form of hate between people.

That is my issue with parsing all keeping it back does is breed deep seeded resentment between each faction.

[VelKallor]

I mean Bard is a meme in 14 due to it going from one of the best jobs in the previous expansion to the worst in the current one. They are second lowest performing while having some of the most mind numbingly stupid optimization to achieve that. In short alot of work for little pay out.

Every single class, every single job, brings useful talents to the table.

FF 14 doesnt bow down to metaslaves, and that concept is in fact counter to every design principle in the game. Having some jobs rejected for content on the basis of some ephemeral "meta analysis by spreadsheet" is in direct contravention to their ideals for the game as a whole

EVERY SINGLE job is viable in all content.

ALL.

[Caurcas]

Every single class, every single job, brings useful talents to the table.

FF 14 doesnt bow down to metaslaves, and that concept is in fact counter to every design principle in the game. Having some jobs rejected for content on the basis of some ephemeral "meta analysis by spreadsheet" is in direct contravention to their ideals for the game as a whole

EVERY SINGLE job is viable in all content.

ALL.

Sure, but you are objectively knee capping yourself if you take a Bard over a Dancer or Machinist assume they are all of the same skill level.

[VelKallor]

Sure, but you are objectively knee capping yourself if you take a Bard over a Dancer or Machinist assume they are all of the same skill level.

Thats your opinion, little else. Data and facts on class abilities say otherwise.

But let me be clear.

There will not ever be any kind of official ingame parser. And as such, this entire argument is more or less moot.

I dont know why you are pushing so hard for something the devs have stated categorically will not happen.

[Caurcas]

Thats your opinion, little else. Data and facts on class abilities say otherwise.

But let me be clear.

There will not ever be any kind of official ingame parser. And as such, this entire argument is more or less moot.

I dont know why you are pushing so hard for something the devs have stated categorically will not happen.

I mean the data we have supports me. As for pushing, alot of things have been added to the game through fan outcry.

[VelKallor]

I mean the data we have supports me. As for pushing, alot of things have been added to the game through fan outcry.

Id say the chances of that happening are the distance between 1 and 0

As in never. Your posts are ample proof as to WHY.

[ForteNightshade]

You seemed to miss the multiple follow up posts about how it's not about it's quality it's about the fact that it's there in game. Good or bad it is official and a metric regardless of the quality of it, especially compared to parsers.

If you are going to quote me at the very least understand it's point instead of repeating what's already been said.

... if it's of poor to downright useless "quality," then it isn't useful. Being able to perform decently on a dummy doesn't translate into an actual fight. Did you also ignore that some jobs straight up can't kill their dummy because they aren't tuned correctly?

SE put in SSS and players don't use it and think it's wrong.

Except we don't think SSS is wrong. We know it is because people have tested it. If an in-game parser differed enough from what ACT showed, people would look into why.

[Caurcas]

Id say the chances of that happening are the distance between 1 and 0

As in never. Your posts are ample proof as to WHY.

Mayhap, but that doesn't change my position on the matter nor the points that back me up. I'm not going to stop pushing for such things.