Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[Awha]

As you have said. I'm just trying to offer perspective from those who do. Fair and unfair are important to someone who experiences empathy.



Societal norms come about because of general consensus. In the FFXIV society you are an uncommon case. If everyone played and acted at your standard the game would be far more hostile to new players, less profitable as it would be casual unfriendly, and possibly would have crashed and burned (or at least been abandoned to obscurity) long ago.

So my opinion is that while you can survive and play while being of your particular stance, you are not "healthy" for the growth of this game and it's community and will be scorned for your lack of consideration of others.

Again, these things are important to most people.


In all honesty I have my doubts as to your actually holding the position you defend as it is, as I've put forward before, close to sociopathy, and true detachment from any empathy is rare for the human condition. Especially if you are interested in something like a JRPG where we are introduced to and expected to care about characters that aren't us. Yes you can play this game without paying any attention to that, but FFXIV does tend to lean heavily on that aspect.

To be honest I rarely care about the characters in a story I get most my enjoyment out of the journey so to speak. So in terms of games the story can be ass but if the gameplay is enjoyable for me I would give it high marks.

Like mass effect andromeda it was my favorite of the series solely due to the enjoyment of the gameplay. Same thing with other repetitive games. I do not mind the grind if the gameplay loop is enjoyable.

That said I never bought the fact I have a ASPD since I do understand empathy and extend it to those within my sphere of friends. Hell, I have carried friends through savage content because they wanted to do it. I am not a very morally consistent person.

If you are not my friend I really do not care for the why, I just go based off the numbers be in the parse in game or the values attributed to my own personal enjoyment.

Overall I do understand that especially in this era of social consequence and holding people accountable my view is hurtful since as an extreme example if I was friends with someone that abused someone but they never abused me I would still remain friends with said person.

Also generally I have skipped through most of the story in FFXIV I just enjoy the class fantasy and gameplay behind the jobs and how the interact with the design of the encounters. Though ask me any details about the story I will not be able to answer.

Overall yes I do understand that I am in a weird position. I get the aspect of why people feel the way the do but i do and why they are agaisnt me for how I use the system. Wanting to change the system due to that is also fine, but I do think it is disingenuous to say overall my actions are "wrong" because they do not apply to the personal standard of the community especially when I did not subscribe to such standards like with laws in the real world.

Though I get the ToS is a thing but I also feel a law that lacks enforcement is not much of a law and it is a Assessment of the risk associated with the action I have to make.

In short if SE started to enforce their not valid reasons for removal I would stop kicking people and just ask to kindly be kicked at the 5 min mark if I truly had an issue with the group, or I would just leave myself.

Overall thank you for the perspective not going to lie I do not understand extending empathy towards those who you do not care about but that is me.

[LaughingBanana]

Holy shit can't believe we are at 93 pages of a thread created by a guy to brag how great he is compared to the rest of the rabble.

Guess we all right now are just terribly bored, eh? I guess exciting things rarely happen in this forums huh, lol.

[Caurcas]

Holy shit can't believe we are at 93 pages of a thread created by a guy to brag how great he is compared to the rest of the rabble.

Guess we all right now are just terribly bored, eh? I guess exciting things rarely happen in this forums huh, lol.

OR! There is a conversation happening that needs to be had.

[Krotoan]

Overall thank you for the perspective not going to lie I do not understand extending empathy towards those who you do not care about but that is me.

You're welcome. But as the famous internet quote goes: "I don’t know how to explain to you that you should care about other people"

If you don't, you aren't going to. It's not logical if you don't understand in the first place why.

Perspective wise if you're as disassociated from the human race as you seem to be I understand why seemingly unrequited empathy is a mystery.

[MyakotApelsia]

You however have presented playing off others tendencies and kicking at relatively negligible issues

I mean, thats ToS for you. You are allowed to kick for "Different playstyle" and gms will be on your side when that happens. Kinda expected for someone to do that in the game.

[Jojoya]

I mean, thats ToS for you. You are allowed to kick for "Different playstyle" and gms will be on your side when that happens. Kinda expected for someone to do that in the game.

But you also have to get half of the rest of the party to agree with you that it's reasonable to kick the player. That can be much harder to do.

The majority of kicks I see are for AFKs/extended DCs. It's very rare that I see anyone getting kicked for "being bad at the game" unless they're outright ignoring the rest of the group and causing problems as a result.

[MyakotApelsia]

But you also have to get half of the rest of the party to agree with you that it's reasonable to kick the player. That can be much harder to do.

The majority of kicks I see are for AFKs/extended DCs. It's very rare that I see anyone getting kicked for "being bad at the game" unless they're outright ignoring the rest of the group and causing problems as a result.

It isnt hard in 4mans, you need 1 person to accept and you win. And its highly possible if person is performing badly. From my experience doing dungeons to level everything to 80, i wouldn't call kicks for that rare, but not usual either.

[Rinhi]

Also, how you are acting right now is the reason why we have rules in the game to protect players.

which is quite sad, if we're being honest?
refusing to use integral parts of your kit because [you don't like it/don't like the animations/whatever] is not something that should be defended or be proud of and yet it's okay because people would rather waste another person's time (and be proud of that) than put in a modicum of effort when it comes to pressing f-ing buttons every few seconds, the utter selfishness of that is amazing
you know what's fun? a nice and quick dungeon run where everybody knows what they're doing and presses their buttons correctly, everyone in the group will have had fun that way!

Today after we wiped to the Tank pulling 2 groups of mobs (not even a wall to wall pull) and the healer said in chat that he was pulling too much, I decided to speak up and politely tell the WHM to take a second to read the descriptions of Medica II, Tetragamation, Assize, Afflatus, Benediction and Divine Benison, that we would wait for him. I immediately got told off by the other DPS to be nicer cause the healer was "new". How is being a level 67 WHM with 2 other jobs above 60 considered "new"??

heh, the exact same happened to me, though it was the tank who defended their whm and they kicked me and saved me a headache, the tank even made a post about me in the DF thread!

[Roeshel]

I was recounting these events to some friends over in Discord who advised me to either drop the party or deal with it because if I kept pushing the subject I could be reported for harrasment and get banned.

I don't know about that honestly.

"3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers."

This could be interpreted in many ways. For me, tanks who don't pull more than one pack of mobs, DPS that is not doing DPS and healers who can't sustain me despite not dps-ing interfere with my game experience.
Sprouts who are willing to learn are the exception.

However, I am sure I can't get someone banned for such a subjective reason. I guess the same could be said for someone whose inflated ego got offended when they were told that they need to learn how to play.

[Awha]

But you also have to get half of the rest of the party to agree with you that it's reasonable to kick the player. That can be much harder to do.

The majority of kicks I see are for AFKs/extended DCs. It's very rare that I see anyone getting kicked for "being bad at the game" unless they're outright ignoring the rest of the group and causing problems as a result.

Not as hard as you think, I generally do believe more people would remove players for playing poorly if someone else started the kick. I think people just do not want to be seen as that person, but deep down if the option was presented to them to avoid / remove the player playing poorly they would / do jump on the chance.