Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[Krotoan]

Thing is I do not care that much for subjective standards such as fair or unfair. Since that will vary from person to person and in the grand scheme not of any use when it comes to my own enjoyment calculus.

As you have said. I'm just trying to offer perspective from those who do. Fair and unfair are important to someone who experiences empathy.

Also yes the action is built into the game, and if reasoning is allowed either through inaction or enforcement or just accepted by those who control the system then once again the reasoning bares little importance within the system as a whole. As mentioned one can disagree with my use of the tool but the framing of trying to put ones own standards as a reason for why one should not do it at the very least appears to try and frame the action as inappropriate as a truth because the community at large disagrees.

Societal norms come about because of general consensus. In the FFXIV society you are an uncommon case. If everyone played and acted at your standard the game would be far more hostile to new players, less profitable as it would be casual unfriendly, and possibly would have crashed and burned (or at least been abandoned to obscurity) long ago.

So my opinion is that while you can survive and play while being of your particular stance, you are not "healthy" for the growth of this game and it's community and will be scorned for your lack of consideration of others.

Again, these things are important to most people.


In all honesty I have my doubts as to your actually holding the position you defend as it is, as I've put forward before, close to sociopathy, and true detachment from any empathy is rare for the human condition. Especially if you are interested in something like a JRPG where we are introduced to and expected to care about characters that aren't us. Yes you can play this game without paying any attention to that, but FFXIV does tend to lean heavily on that aspect.

[Vahlnir]

As you have said. I'm just trying to offer perspective from those who do. Fair and unfair are important to someone who experiences empathy.



Societal norms come about because of general consensus. In the FFXIV society you are an uncommon case. If everyone played and acted at your standard the game would be far more hostile to new players, less profitable as it would be casual unfriendly, and possibly would have crashed and burned (or at least been abandoned to obscurity) long ago.

So my opinion is that while you can survive and play while being of your particular stance, you are not "healthy" for the growth of this game and it's community and will be scorned for your lack of consideration of others.

Again, these things are important to most people.


In all honesty I have my doubts as to your actually holding the position you defend as it is, as I've put forward before, close to sociopathy, and true detachment from any empathy is rare for the human condition. Especially if you are interested in something like a JRPG where we are introduced to and expected to care about characters that aren't us. Yes you can play this game without paying any attention to that, but FFXIV does tend to lean heavily on that aspect.

Dealing with Awha can be quite an experience. I can honestly say I have never met anyone quite like them, real world or otherwise. Good luck with that is all I can really say. Sometimes there are pleasant debates to be had. Sometimes there is...this, whatever it may be.

[Awha]

As you have said. I'm just trying to offer perspective from those who do. Fair and unfair are important to someone who experiences empathy.



Societal norms come about because of general consensus. In the FFXIV society you are an uncommon case. If everyone played and acted at your standard the game would be far more hostile to new players, less profitable as it would be casual unfriendly, and possibly would have crashed and burned (or at least been abandoned to obscurity) long ago.

So my opinion is that while you can survive and play while being of your particular stance, you are not "healthy" for the growth of this game and it's community and will be scorned for your lack of consideration of others.

Again, these things are important to most people.


In all honesty I have my doubts as to your actually holding the position you defend as it is, as I've put forward before, close to sociopathy, and true detachment from any empathy is rare for the human condition. Especially if you are interested in something like a JRPG where we are introduced to and expected to care about characters that aren't us. Yes you can play this game without paying any attention to that, but FFXIV does tend to lean heavily on that aspect.

To be honest I rarely care about the characters in a story I get most my enjoyment out of the journey so to speak. So in terms of games the story can be ass but if the gameplay is enjoyable for me I would give it high marks.

Like mass effect andromeda it was my favorite of the series solely due to the enjoyment of the gameplay. Same thing with other repetitive games. I do not mind the grind if the gameplay loop is enjoyable.

That said I never bought the fact I have a ASPD since I do understand empathy and extend it to those within my sphere of friends. Hell, I have carried friends through savage content because they wanted to do it. I am not a very morally consistent person.

If you are not my friend I really do not care for the why, I just go based off the numbers be in the parse in game or the values attributed to my own personal enjoyment.

Overall I do understand that especially in this era of social consequence and holding people accountable my view is hurtful since as an extreme example if I was friends with someone that abused someone but they never abused me I would still remain friends with said person.

Also generally I have skipped through most of the story in FFXIV I just enjoy the class fantasy and gameplay behind the jobs and how the interact with the design of the encounters. Though ask me any details about the story I will not be able to answer.

Overall yes I do understand that I am in a weird position. I get the aspect of why people feel the way the do but i do and why they are agaisnt me for how I use the system. Wanting to change the system due to that is also fine, but I do think it is disingenuous to say overall my actions are "wrong" because they do not apply to the personal standard of the community especially when I did not subscribe to such standards like with laws in the real world.

Though I get the ToS is a thing but I also feel a law that lacks enforcement is not much of a law and it is a Assessment of the risk associated with the action I have to make.

In short if SE started to enforce their not valid reasons for removal I would stop kicking people and just ask to kindly be kicked at the 5 min mark if I truly had an issue with the group, or I would just leave myself.

Overall thank you for the perspective not going to lie I do not understand extending empathy towards those who you do not care about but that is me.

[Krotoan]

Overall thank you for the perspective not going to lie I do not understand extending empathy towards those who you do not care about but that is me.

You're welcome. But as the famous internet quote goes: "I don’t know how to explain to you that you should care about other people"

If you don't, you aren't going to. It's not logical if you don't understand in the first place why.

Perspective wise if you're as disassociated from the human race as you seem to be I understand why seemingly unrequited empathy is a mystery.

[HisShadowX]

As you have said. I'm just trying to offer perspective from those who do. Fair and unfair are important to someone who experiences empathy.



Societal norms come about because of general consensus. In the FFXIV society you are an uncommon case. If everyone played and acted at your standard the game would be far more hostile to new players, less profitable as it would be casual unfriendly, and possibly would have crashed and burned (or at least been abandoned to obscurity) long ago.

So my opinion is that while you can survive and play while being of your particular stance, you are not "healthy" for the growth of this game and it's community and will be scorned for your lack of consideration of others.

Again, these things are important to most people.


In all honesty I have my doubts as to your actually holding the position you defend as it is, as I've put forward before, close to sociopathy, and true detachment from any empathy is rare for the human condition. Especially if you are interested in something like a JRPG where we are introduced to and expected to care about characters that aren't us. Yes you can play this game without paying any attention to that, but FFXIV does tend to lean heavily on that aspect.

I completely agree. It sounds like this player should most likely go back to playing FFXI or Everquest. I remember when they closed down SWG due to The Old Republic starting up its service. The game was geared to be the WoW Killer and geared towards casuals. In fact, most of the early systems were geared towards casuals. The problem was the SWG Hardcore Minority all moved over and since they are a loud voice online, but a small minority of players, thus why games made for those people go free2play or die they took over the direction of the game.

I remember it was a culture shock for for these players that players would get mad at these SWG Guilds and players for not announcing and declaring themselves a DKP Guild as DKP became a scarlet letter a guild would wear as a shame for being who they were and to let people know beforehand what sort of people were in that guild. Sadly the staff at Austin listened to this minority and announced a Guild Summit, where all the SWG Guilds were invited to and the staff at Austin had announced no 'dungeon/duty finder' and harder content.

At this point 2 million people left and like with what happened with FFXIV all the heads of The Old Republic were fired and massive layoffs and sadly they introduced elements to bring back casuals after everyone had left.

They do not make games for people like him anymore sadly thankfully though FFXI is still up and running and he could always go over there and fight bats and rats with a full party.

[Awha]

I completely agree. It sounds like this player should most likely go back to playing FFXI or Everquest. I remember when they closed down SWG due to The Old Republic starting up its service. The game was geared to be the WoW Killer and geared towards casuals. In fact, most of the early systems were geared towards casuals. The problem was the SWG Hardcore Minority all moved over and since they are a loud voice online, but a small minority of players, thus why games made for those people go free2play or die they took over the direction of the game.

I remember it was a culture shock for for these players that players would get mad at these SWG Guilds and players for not announcing and declaring themselves a DKP Guild as DKP became a scarlet letter a guild would wear as a shame for being who they were and to let people know beforehand what sort of people were in that guild. Sadly the staff at Austin listened to this minority and announced a Guild Summit, where all the SWG Guilds were invited to and the staff at Austin had announced no 'dungeon/duty finder' and harder content.

At this point 2 million people left and like with what happened with FFXIV all the heads of The Old Republic were fired and massive layoffs and sadly they introduced elements to bring back casuals after everyone had left.

They do not make games for people like him anymore sadly thankfully though FFXI is still up and running and he could always go over there and fight bats and rats with a full party.

Nah I am good here, and I will keep kicking people from my DF that inconvenience me in any shape or form. Though I will say early TOR was a blast, loved the blunt honesty the community had, loved that BioWare forced people to interact with the game world and put important items in a forced pvp zone even on pve servers.

Sure they do not make games for people like me, and that is fine cause if they provide me with the tools that allow me to have control over my own play experience I will do just that.