Fix Housing Megathread

[LaylaTsarra]

People bought houses because they couldn't share them with alts. They still can't. It was allowed at the time and in many cases housing wards sat open with many houses going unclaimed for months. The team recognized that and they weren't going to penalize people who simply followed the rules and did what was permitted at the time.

Changing the rules does not make those people evil and they shouldn't lose what they earned.

Some will continually want to take away from others but the team has made that decision to grandfather and they're not about to change their minds. It doesn't matter how many times some come here and say they should they aren't going to.

Current rules also allow users to purchase housing on other servers as well. One FC and one personal house. If those rules were to change later to one house per account those following the rules now shouldn't have to pay or be demonized because they elected to do what is permitted. Changing rules should and will affect future purchases just like now an alt cannot buy a house if there is one character on that account who owns one on that server.

[Catstab]

Ok... so why did SE write the restrictions <in 2018>

Because they recognized the need for change.

Guess we need a calendar to go with that dictionary. The restrictions you link took effect February 2018. The announcement was very specific that the rules were not retroactive, meaning that anyone who already had alt-character housing was keeping it. I get that you disagree with the decision, but people smarter than you who work for SE are the ones who made it.

[juicybug]

OVERHAUL the placement. Have the ability to raise and lift without having to use the float trick, easier way to float items through floors and place windows and objects onto EVERYTHING if the option is picked like the rotate/grid button. Housing instances + what we currently have. Instances would eliminate botting with houses and whales buying multiple houses on different accounts. Much like how apartments work but with housing costs but in an instance.

[Almagnus1]

Because they recognized the need for change <and I can't admit that my position is wrong>

Yeah, I agree with that.

You want to keep sock-puppeting me and argue against whatever you think I'm saying, I'll keep returning the favor because a dishonest person like you isn't worth the time it takes to type this response.

[Almagnus1]

People bought houses because they couldn't share them with alts. They still can't.

And that's something that SE should definitely change and allow a port to each personal house on the same account on the same server. I imagine that once that happens, some of the grandfathered in houses would be consolidated - especially if SE gave the houses storage that the alts could share and a way to transfer items (and gil) between the alts and main.

This is something LotRO did from the get-go, and that MMO housing largely worked for the playerbase.

It was allowed at the time and in many cases housing wards sat open with many houses going unclaimed for months.

That was tied to the fact that we had sufficient supply for the population. At the current point in time, we're at the exact opposite issue where there's a housing shortage and the players that have more than one personal house per server per account are now hogging more than their fair share of resources. SE should focus first on incentives to get them to release their houses, then forcibly release the houses because that policy makes sense given the significantly larger population. That said, the shell FCs all need to die, as that's definitely an aggravating factor here.

Current rules also allow users to purchase housing on other servers as well. One FC and one personal house. If those rules were to change later to one house per account those following the rules now shouldn't have to pay or be demonized because they elected to do what is permitted. Changing rules should and will affect future purchases just like now an alt cannot buy a house if there is one character on that account who owns one on that server.

Changing the rules and then enforcing the changes makes everyone equal. We should be striving for housing equality here, should we not?

[Arielen]

Rule changes are never retroactive; they only ever take effect from the date the rule is introduced. Retroactive rule changes that would punish people in the past for breaking a rule that didn't even exist at the time would be total chaos. People with several personals or several fc houses under the same fc aren't breaking any rules unless they find a way to get around the cap so that they can get several personals or several houses under the same FC, which would require actual exploiting.

Retroactively applied rules wouldn't only affect housing. It would affect any element of the terms of service...treating people who didn't exploit as exploiters is wrong.

Imagine if they straight up banned all swearing. And by all swearing I mean targeted or otherwise, so any f-bombs dropped regardless of context would get someone warned and/or suspended. Retroactive application of that rule would get a ton of people essentially randomly banned.

Frankly, what's really inappropriate is this constant badgering about people with grandfathered houses which has become witch hunting leading into harassment.

[Catstab]

a dishonest person

You say people playing the game are breaking rules. I say they plainly aren't. You decide that's grounds for personal insults?

[Arielen]

Yeah, I agree with that.

You want to keep sock-puppeting me and argue against whatever you think I'm saying, I'll keep returning the favor because a dishonest person like you isn't worth the time it takes to type this response.

For someone so sensitive about the subject of harassment, you certainly love doing it to others.

[LaylaTsarra]

And that's something that SE should definitely change

They don't need to change it they made their decision. Those players played by the rules and the dev team understands that. You definitely don't. You don't make the decisions and your ranting about it continually isn't going to change anything. They did the right thing.

Tell you what report back when you see it in the patch notes but I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Divinemights]

Those two guys on Mateus deserve to have all but one of their personal houses stripped and all of their shell FCs disbanded. If you disagree with that, you are part of the problem.
They had their fun, and it's time for that to end because the needs of the many outweigh the infantile desires of the one (or in this case, two).

To be honest, no, you are just witch hunting like a zealot ignoring all senses and logics.
These two players bought these plots when no one wanted them (that is a fact) and they put in time, effort and gils to create a legacy of their own. That shouldn't be taken away just all of sudden community want a house plot.

They are not source of the problem as they follow the rules S/E created and it was SE's mistake because they allow personal housing instead of keep it as FC only. Can you blame S/E? NO you can't You are blinded if you ignored the fact upon until Personal Housing is installed, 2/3 of housing wards are emptied.

On other hand, you are the source of a lot of NA player's living nightmare with that little reclaim timer idea of yours. Not saying it is not an effective method, but it nevertheless is short sighted because SE too didn't expect players will try to camp it 24 hours straight.

This is also why I am not buying any short sighed ideas such as casino, etc.