Fix Housing Megathread

[Divinemights]

That's a fancy way of saying "I disagree with you"
If that's true, why have I pointed out several things that LotRO has done better than FFXIV in housing?

SE's oversight was that they didn't really take into consideration that people would have alts (which has much less need now that New Game+ is a thing) and they built the entire personal housing around the limited subscription. SE made several mistakes and I have been advocating for changes to the housing system like having all alts on a server get ports to all personal houses on the same server owned by that service account and also housing storage that will allow someone to transfer items between chars on the server. These are two things that LoTRO has had for player housing since it launched many years ago, and it's two things that are long overdue in FFXIV for housing.

While I will be (occasionally) hyperbolic, I have been consistently advocating for positive change to the system.



When Yoshi-P indicates that there are RMT issues within housing (largely because of the housing market that existed before it), and they still exist to this day... that idea was not short sighted. SE saw it as an easy way to stop the housing flipping which it does exceedingly well. If you're someone that got burned by it then (quite honestly) you deserved it.

Typical hyperbolic response that you often seem from twitter community. It is either you are fried or you are foe, laughable at best.

Your amazing hatred is petty and you don't even know what you are saying any more. Let's say you own a 3,000 2 floor house that you worked hard and obtained through legal mean. All of sudden one zealot comes with pitch and folk demands to torn down your house because he need it to build an apartment to house more people. Just how ridiculous your idea sound.

It is the principle I am defending. You have no right to stripped someone's property just because supply can't meet demand. Get your fact straight.

LOTR mmo? Are you refering that piece of garbage with crappy graphic, crappy game play, crappy music, crappy character models and crappy story that not many even know about it? Of course its housing system is fine because its playerbase is ridiculous small and it is not even eligible to scale with FF14. Do they even have a blizzcon or FF14 fanfest that people even cares about?

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Again, I changed the quote from "Read these rules though http://www.square-enix...."

to "Read these rules though <link to rules from 2018>"

So I did not alter what you said. I have not been dishonest. Your accusations are false.

Like I said... you started it with the post at https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5560600 and after I saw that and went back to each post that you had stuck <comment> into and edited what you said to better suit what the response was... then returned the favor in future responses. I see you've gotten the point on why that's bad forum etiquette.

Edit:
Or as you're showing with https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5561412 some people just never learn....

[Catstab]

Like I said... <link to something unrelated, comments about unrelated things>

Anyway back to the topic at hand....

So on top of those rules added in 2018, what changes do you think should be made to the system? Since that's sort of the purpose of this thread.

So on top of those rules added in 2018, what changes do you think should be made to the system? Since that's sort of the purpose of this thread.

[Almagnus1]

Anyway back to the topic at hand....

So on top of those rules added in 2018, what changes do you think should be made to the system? Since that's sort of the purpose of this thread.

This is going to be a rehash of many things I have suggested before soo...

Personal House Changes:

• Make gardening available without the need for housing - hopefully this is happening with Endwalkers
• Give each character on a server on the same service account a teleport location to each personal house owned by any of those characters. So if you have one personal house on a server, all four characters on that server get a teleport location to that house. A grandfathered in account with four houses would have all four teleport locations to each house on each character.
• Give personal houses storage so players can easily transfer items, crystals, and gil between chars on the same server

FC Changes:

• Make a workshop accessible to anyone not in an FC so solo players can build an airship (or sub) and can run airship (or sub) expeditions without needing to be in an FC
• Have FCs do an active service account check and if they are less than four service accounts with active subscriptions the FC will lose the house after a grace period that allows the FC to bring the active subs above 4
• Allow the FC leader the option to transfer the FC house to their personal house through a Mogg Station purchase

Additional changes:

• Allow for a housing buyback at full sticker price for someone that wants to sell it back to the housing market
• Stop the loss of items at the Residential Caretaker, and have them all the non-bound stuff from the house there, even if it means disassembling aircraft and subs
• Allow players to mail things between characters on the same server

The main point with this is to remove the incentives for owning multiple houses. I get that it removes some of the uniqueness from housing, but it also opens up mechanics to more of the player-base (as the assumption is that the FC workshop and FC gardening are locked off to most players due to FC permissions).

And being realistic, until most of the above has been implemented, the grandfathered in personal houses should be left alone as you want to allow players to naturally divest the houses rather than forcing the issue.

That said, shell FCs need to die in a fire.

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LOTR mmo? Are you refering that piece of garbage with crappy graphic, crappy game play, crappy music, crappy character models and crappy story that not many even know about it? Of course its housing system is fine because its playerbase is ridiculous small and it is not even eligible to scale with FF14. Do they even have a blizzcon or FF14 fanfest that people even cares about?

Yes, I played a lot of that MMO, but that was like over a decade ago, so different time, different place. That said there are two things from that MMO that really belong in FFXIV:

• All characters on a server got a port to the personal house, and it was shared between them equally
• There was housing storage (and the ability to mail things between characters) so moving items around was easy

And while I would love to see this, due to the technical differences between the two games and how far advanced the FFXIV housing system is compared to the LotRO one, I doubt we'll see the ward scaling like what LotRO had, as it would spawn in additional neighborhoods if it detected that (for example) there needed to be more hobbit or human neighborhoods while the dwarven and elven ones stayed as is. I don't see how FFXIV can do that technically speaking, but it would definitely help alleviate some of the issues relating to FFXIV housing.

[Catstab]

Have FCs do an active service account check and if they are less than four service accounts with active subscriptions the FC will lose the house after a grace period that allows the FC to bring the active subs above 4.

Everything you suggested is decent except this. Thinking about this one for about 4 seconds will tell you that it is not a material change from what currently exists.

Current: FC house goes boom if untouched 45 days
Suggested: FC house goes boom if members list is not maintenanced for 45 days

"They're the same picture"

Literally asking SE to do a bunch of work to zero end on that one.

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Everything you suggested is decent except this. Thinking about this one for about 4 seconds will tell you that it is not a material change from what currently exists.

Current: FC house goes boom if untouched 45 days
Suggested: FC house goes boom if members list is not maintenanced for 45 days

"They're the same picture"

Literally asking SE to do a bunch of work to zero end on that one.

That is suggested specifically to address the shell FCs, since you are correct that it's completely invisible to a healthy FC. However, that's the entire point as it's a deterrent to make it harder for the shell FCs to tie up housing while not affecting the legitimate FCs.

That said, if someone is willing to fork over the money to maintain the account subscriptions needed to pass the FC check, they can keep the house as I'm not distinguishing who is controlling the subs, only stating that they should exist and it should be applied to all FC housing equally. And really, if someone has the disposable income to fund it, who am I to tell them how they should spend their money since it's more money going to FFXIV and we all benefit from that.

Running the math on this, if you have four service accounts, with 8 characters each, they would only be able to tie up 12 houses between the accounts assuming you had 32 characters rolled and ready to go. That's 8 FC houses (as IMO the FC housing restriction that SE has isn't good and it should go), plus the four personal houses from the service account as each FC would need to have a character from each service account to stay compliant, so in essence, each account could only tie up 3 houses. To own a ward, you'd need 12 service accounts (which would be a theoretical maximum of 36 houses which IIRC is slightly larger than the size of a ward allowing for some flex in the houses), and if someone is willing to pay 12*$15 USD = $180/month to keep the ward (or more realistically $150 USD * 12 = $1800/year as 2 six month subs are about $75 USD) then more power to them as they are helping fund FFXIV. However, when you start getting into that much of an annual expense, the financial cost starts to become it's own deterrent and most people would seek to divest the houses at that point... which is why everything listed needs to be present for it to work together correctly.

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Running the math on this, if you have four service accounts, with 8 characters each, they would only be able to tie up 12 houses between the accounts assuming you had 32 characters rolled and ready to go.

My math says 29 FC houses for 4 accounts. 4 accounts x 8 characters = 32, minus 3 to float from one FC to the next. You join the 3 floaters into a different FC for each day of the month, keeps the grace period rolling. This only has to be done from day 1-29, from day 30-45 you can just focus subs.

And you could always run all 32, provided you have a friend willing to run 3 alts for you.

Unless the system is sophisticated enough to avoid being exploited in this manner, it wouldnt be effective.

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My math says 29 FC houses for 4 accounts. 4 accounts x 8 characters = 32, minus 3 to float from one FC to the next. You join the 3 floaters into a different FC for each day of the month, keeps the grace period rolling. This only has to be done from day 1-29, from day 30-45 you can just focus subs.

And you could always run all 32, provided you have a friend willing to run 3 alts for you.

Unless the system is sophisticated enough to avoid being exploited in this manner, it wouldnt be effective.

It'd be a pointless system with a timer reset when they hit four subs as the system can be gamed as you're describing.

The system would need to have something like a time debt that was accrued if you were below 4 subs in the FC, and the time debt was paid off at the same rate regardless how high you were above four subs, and if the debt ever hit a specific threshold (like say, 45 days) the house was released immediately when the threshold was met. TBH, it'd make sense if the debt threshold was lower than 45 days, as a lower threshold would force players to be a bit more proactive with the FC management.

I wouldn't be opposed to just outright disbanding the FC if it was below 4 members... but there needs to be more of the above laundry list of features in play before that makes sense as a game mechanic.

[Jojoya]

Could flip the housing system from the way it originally started. Originally it was intended to be Free Company only. Change it so it's personal only.

Create a new system to serve FCs as meeting halls for their members. Keep it to the theme of what a Free Company is - a group of adventurers contracting their services to the Grand Companies. Workshops could be attached. Customization with housing furnishings could be allowed. They might lose gardening (though Island Sanctuaries suggest that they've solved the gardening in an instance problem) but if most FCs use the garden mainly to grow Thavnairian Onions for their members, those could be placed on a vendor in Thavnair (would make sense) at the approximate price that has been seen across the MBs in recent months (somewhere between 100-150k).

There's still one outstanding problem with personal ownership restrictions and that is that ownership is per world, not per service account. There are far more active players world wide than there are houses world wide. Each player with houses on multiple worlds is taking away houses from players who don't have one. I have characters on 8 different worlds. If I were to buy a house on each of those worlds, that's 7 other players that would never be able to buy a house. Quite frankly, that sucks.

No one needs a house for each of their characters even if they want it (sorry, someone's RP head canon is not a reason to deprive other players of game content). A player can pick which character gets a house and the remaining characters can get an apartment. No, I would not expect SE to take away houses from players who have already legitimately obtained them under the rules currently in effect if they were to make this change. It would only apply to future purchases.

Above all, SE needs to get its act together and make certain that every player that wants a house can get one. It is shameful that they continue to cling to a system that does not serve their players adequately when they do so well in other regards. Housing drama like this does not exist in other games. Why does SE want it to exist here?