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    Vyrerus's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post

    i'm not advocating the use of such third party tools but i can see why they would be of benefit just because of clunky ui elements.

    Although if i've read the thread correctly these things can modify telegraphs so they appear sooner or even makes invisible telegraphs visible.. i want to say that sounds a bit far fetched but at the same time i wouldnt be surprised if thats exactly what these things did..
    There are certainly ones that let you see telegraphs that aren't there, but even something as innocuous as ACT triggers still give people more time to react/preposition, because the call that it does will issue before the mechanic's telegraph.

    I remember my first time seeing it was in a video replay a SMN had done for Cruise Chaser Savage. The fight has a mechanic where it either does a massive AOE in the center, denoted by giant energy balls coming as the cast finishes, shiva-like exploding circles that rotate around the arena, and invisible circular AOEs that you have to bait, and then move from.

    Their automated call would say the mech name and out, mech name and bait, or mech name and shiva. They would respond accordingly, well before the tell went out in game, for all of them except the baiting one, because that one inherently requires waiting. And guess which one they complained about, "Being annoying." The baiting one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    There are certainly ones that let you see telegraphs that aren't there, but even something as innocuous as ACT triggers still give people more time to react/preposition, because the call that it does will issue before the mechanic's telegraph.

    I remember my first time seeing it was in a video replay a SMN had done for Cruise Chaser Savage. The fight has a mechanic where it either does a massive AOE in the center, denoted by giant energy balls coming as the cast finishes, shiva-like exploding circles that rotate around the arena, and invisible circular AOEs that you have to bait, and then move from.

    Their automated call would say the mech name and out, mech name and bait, or mech name and shiva. They would respond accordingly, well before the tell went out in game, for all of them except the baiting one, because that one inherently requires waiting. And guess which one they complained about, "Being annoying." The baiting one.
    For further context, all four variants of this mechanic are called Optical Sight, so you can't actually tell which one the boss is using from the cast bar, but they do have distinct IDs in the game's internal database, which add-ons can read and thus let you know which version is being used before the boss even gives the visual tell of which one is being used (Which happens after the cast resolves then gives you a very brief moment to position for it).

    It gives players a good three or so extra seconds to react and basically trivializes one of the encounter's main mechanics.
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