Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[Caurcas]

Pages and pages on and people still are glossing over a very simple point I have made time and time again. That it takes the smallest amount of effort to do things generally correctly and be passable, but that's beyond half the players I meet.

[Rinhi]

Pages and pages on and people still are glossing over a very simple point I have made time and time again. That it takes the smallest amount of effort to do things generally correctly and be passable, but that's beyond half the players I meet.

because people have no counter argument to that and have to strawman and make up excuses for just this
absolutely no one in this thread was complaining about people making avoidable mistakes here and there - no, it was about people not knowing and refusing to learn how to play their classes

People are always like, "what's a few extra minutes"? It's not just a few, it's several. Many times doubling the length of dungeons.. Many times making it unbearable in raid content, even leading to wipes.

not to mention that those minutes add up, too

like, I don't mind if a dungeon or a raid is a shitshow, I think it's fun and all, but a quick one because everyone played well is fun, too!
but when eden's promise eternity keeps wiping because both healers cast cure 1 and physick and nothing else, then there's something wrong, not to mention eating every mechanic even if we wiped to it several times before, that IS an issue

[SenorPatty]

Pages and pages on and people still are glossing over a very simple point I have made time and time again. That it takes the smallest amount of effort to do things generally correctly and be passable, but that's beyond half the players I meet.

because people have no counter argument to that and have to strawman and make up excuses for just this
absolutely no one in this thread was complaining about people making avoidable mistakes here and there - no, it was about people not knowing and refusing to learn how to play their classes

Or its still going on because it's the same posters arguing to one another about the same thing in a cozy hamster wheel.

[StriderShinryu]

because people have no counter argument to that and have to strawman and make up excuses for just this
absolutely no one in this thread was complaining about people making avoidable mistakes here and there - no, it was about people not knowing and refusing to learn how to play their classes

Or maybe the reason no one is arguing it is because there's nothing to argue. It's all just blowing smoke same as the argument that just trying to help gets you reported and banned. Are there terrible players in DF? Absolutely, but they're not there in any where near the sort of numbers that a handful of players say they are. The tsunami sized all consuming waves of bads and leechers just don't exist outside of in the imagination of some players. If I told you there was a 5 armed blue alien in my kitchen that loves to make spaghetti but turns invisible when anyone but me looks at it would you debate me on it or would you just roll your eyes and walk away?

If all you are looking for is average players who basically understand their jobs, then I'd wager the vast majority of players already fit that bill. And, as has been gone over many, many times before, the game doesn't demand more than that in every day average casual content. Could/should it demand more? Sure. But it doesn't.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Or maybe the reason no one is arguing it is because there's nothing to argue. It's all just blowing smoke same as the argument that just trying to help gets you reported and banned. Are there terrible players in DF? Absolutely, but they're not there in any where near the sort of numbers that a handful of players say they are. The tsunami sized all consuming waves of bads and leechers just don't exist outside of in the imagination of some players. If I told you there was a 5 armed blue alien in my kitchen that loves to make spaghetti but turns invisible when anyone but me looks at it would you debate me on it or would you just roll your eyes and walk away?

If all you are looking for is average players who basically understand their jobs, then I'd wager the vast majority of players already fit that bill. And, as has been gone over many, many times before, the game doesn't demand more than that in every day average casual content. Could/should it demand more? Sure. But it doesn't.

if there werent that many cases, there wouldnt be a literal entire subreddit dedicated to the bad duty finder experiences. There wouldnt be as many threads about this issue as there are. So thats pretty faulty logic just right there. There's a difference between some imaginary monster that youre talking about(horrible analogy btw) and an actual apparent issue with the game that is troubling many players.

[Rinhi]

If I told you there was a 5 armed blue alien in my kitchen that loves to make spaghetti but turns invisible when anyone but me looks at it would you debate me on it or would you just roll your eyes and walk away?

i'd be curious to see said alien ngl