Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
Sounds good, until you realize some people don't read chat. That's why I think kicking is the way to go in those "clear" situations. We really don't need to have more GM intervention than we need to. You can try reporting if you think they're trying to not get kicked by going into combat, but that's about where I draw the line.

Now, if they do interact in chat, then there is no excuse for not using tank stance or not having a job stone.
This is exactly why it's so easy to grief in this game, and players are doing it. As long as they aren't interacting in chat, or admitting to what they are doing, there is nothing that can be done about them. They can intentionally wipe an entire raid party, they may even put "oops!", "my bad", in chat to cover themselves, and they will have players coming out of the woodwork to defend them!