Criticism of Shadowbringers and the hostility there in

[strawberrycake]

Making improvements and changes for the betterment of the game isn’t making it a completely different game. Its for the benefit of both the game, the devs, and the players.The game WILL die if nothing changes and criticism isn’t allowed and it’s just backhanded like it has been in the past. You can use most other failed mmos or even games in general to see that trend. A disconnect from the playerbase and the devs is what causes that and in this case it’ll be stemming from the community’s inability to take criticism on things. Just look at the Scottzone situation.

Yeah no one ever talks about how the FF community literally sends death threats when people talk about the game being better

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Yeah no one ever talks about how the FF community literally sends death threats when people talk about the game being better

People in every community do that, it's not exclusive to ff. And anyone sending death threats over entertainment or hobbies or anything really are people who need to seek mental help.


People literally riot in the streets over sporting events...

[strawberrycake]

I literally agreed with that is my first post here, I said I'd rather it all have been in Bozja, but I also acknowledge they were trying to correct for a complaint, but you're highlighting my point, you think it's an overcorrection, yet there have been many, many complaints from people that they have to set foot inside Bozja at all, so who exactly should they listen to? The two key things they tried to fix with Bozja was "The relic isn't even part of the story" and "I don't even want to be in here" So, the relic is not actually part of the story and you can go outside for most all the steps. So even if they had made it where each step was doable inside and out easily the people who want nothing to do with Bozja would still need to do the story as the relic's are tied to it, so what then? At some point they have to listen to someone, not everyone is going to be happy which is fine, while I agree with them over correcting Bozja is a vast improvement over Eureka and hopefully they'll take those forward into the next one for Endwalker.
Also, that analogy doesn't really work, given that 14 is the themepark and Bozja is a ride, not the park itself.

I'm sorry I didnt see the original post, and I can definitely agree I hope they take the feed back from Bozja and make something better for EW.

Also as far as story, I think its one of those things we'll never not have with XIV, people who could careless for story and how it ties together. I remember people not caring for the HW and ARR stories as a whole, I would say if anything create a story that doesnt need a zones interaction, and offers content inside and outside of said zone, that way its doable both ways and peopel who dont like the zone dont have to touch it.

[LisSquid]

Yeah no one ever talks about how the FF community literally sends death threats when people talk about the game being better

I don't think it's fair to not highlight the hostility on both sides (perhaps fueled by it). I remember getting kicked from a discord for saying I didn't like such and such character, or that the story of 14 wasn't a masterstroke of genius. Or that such and such content wasn't up to SE's potential. Just look at any thread about Viera and Hrothgar problems and you'll see some intense hostility that we dare ask for the developer's time that was promised to us. Hostility in as much as the forum rules allow, that is. Things have gotten nastier in other corners of the net.

There's so much infighting over obvious issues with the game, and I can't help but think it's a sort of selfishness where if it's not a problem to you then it's not a problem at all. It's an issue with removing the MMO out of the MMORPG, and we really should be in solidarity over wanting the best gaming experience for everyone.

[strawberrycake]

People in every community do that, it's not exclusive to ff. And anyone sending death threats over entertainment or hobbies or anything really are people who need to seek mental help.


People literally riot in the streets over sporting events...

And in a lot of those cases people have lost their accounts and were banned from games, said sports goers were banned from future games and arrested.

I'm not saying only FF does it, but I dont think we've ever seen anyone punished for it.

[Iscah]

Those are all very true things, but with this community being notorious for sending death threats to people who say the game should be criticised more

Yeah no one ever talks about how the FF community literally sends death threats when people talk about the game being better

So is it talked about or not talked about? Because if it isn't being talked about then it's hard to become notorious.

Also it's my impression that every corner of the internet has a subset of angry people who are willing to send threats to people they don't like. It's not some unique problem to FFXIV, it's society-wide - and the bigger the fandom, the more likely that some of those people are in it.

"Some people within the community" is not "the community".

[BlitzAceRush]

People in every community do that, it's not exclusive to ff. And anyone sending death threats over entertainment or hobbies or anything really are people who need to seek mental help.

And hardly represents all of the community, or I guess those threads that appear with the story of the one raider who was really mean to someone suddenly means all raiders are now evil jerks who only care about numbers and not people. People not agreeing with something or having an opposing viewpoint is not the same as not having the ability to take criticism. Honestly I get a lot of the people have good intentions in this thread, but acting like the game, the game that's doing better than it ever has is in serious trouble and you're only trying to help and why would anyone oppose that? Just makes it come across like you think you have magic answers that are so obvious that you're baffled no one else can see them.
The game is not perfect, nothing is, and they've said they're going to need to invest in it's future if it's going to go on for 10 more years, but everything we've been talking about is just subjective options, your ideas might make things better, could make them worse, mine could be horrible, all I do know is the game has done nothing but grow since it clawed its ways out of the mess that was 1.0, so it must be doing something right, and seeing as it's still growing, its still doing fine.
Though there is plenty to talk about, ideas to share, it's just easier without the "can't take criticism" or shutting eachother down with fringe cases, like death threats that in no ways represent the community, hell, we don't even, we're just a tiny little pool who like to be a vocal.

[strawberrycake]

I don't think it's fair to not highlight the hostility on both sides (perhaps fueled by it). I remember getting kicked from a discord for saying I didn't like such and such character, or that the story of 14 wasn't a masterstroke of genius. Or that such and such content wasn't up to SE's potential. Just look at any thread about Viera and Hrothgar problems and you'll see some intense hostility that we dare ask for the developer's time that was promised to us. Hostility in as much as the forum rules allow, that is. Things have gotten nastier in other corners of the net.

There's so much infighting over obvious issues with the game, and I can't help but think it's a sort of selfishness where if it's not a problem to you then it's not a problem at all. It's an issue with removing the MMO out of the MMORPG, and we really should be in solidarity over wanting the best gaming experience for everyone.

Its something I've been guilty of at times myself honestly, I still work on that day by day. The issues presented in the game should be something we're all coming together about. Its why I think Hrothgar and Viera should get more attention and Creative Unit 3 should be more transparent, its why all the interviews should be on the front page of the launcher and posted on the Lodestone regularly. Its why I'm saying people arent wrong for liking the new content, simply that it could have been handled better.

The worst part is that its all symptoms of more then just covid ruining things. Like how the 3 Ultimates promised for the expansion wouldn't have worked out, becuase of how much dev time it would need to even make them 6 months each minimum, and then all three would need to be rebalanced going into EW, thats a massive oversight on their end. That only makes me wonder about other aspects of the game. And its why I ask why we even fight each other when we can quite literally come together and ask why from SE directly given they are the parent company.

Also if anyone kicks you from a server for not liking characters or saying its not that grrat of a story then good riddence, thats just dumb and mean.

[strawberrycake]

So is it talked about or not talked about? Because if it isn't being talked about then it's hard to become notorious.

Also it's my impression that every corner of the internet has a subset of angry people who are willing to send threats to people they don't like. It's not some unique problem to FFXIV, it's society-wide - and the bigger the fandom, the more likely that some of those people are in it.

"Some people within the community" is not "the community".

There are a few content creators who its happened to, its notorious in the sense people find out why X creator doesn;t do FF content anymore and assume "People who play XIV do that type of thing" all the while people in the community itself are surprised it happens (At least thats what I've seen in my experience)

And all fandoms do. I've just encountered more people in XIVs who act like its not a thing thats ever happened.

[KizuyaKatogami]

So is it talked about or not talked about? Because if it isn't being talked about then it's hard to become notorious.

Also it's my impression that every corner of the internet has a subset of angry people who are willing to send threats to people they don't like. It's not some unique problem to FFXIV, it's society-wide - and the bigger the fandom, the more likely that some of those people are in it.

"Some people within the community" is not "the community".

It’s not that it doesn’t happen in other games, it does, but it’s the fact that it just contributes to the fact this community can’t take criticism. It’s also the case of it not just being a one time thing. It’s happened numerous times and it resulted in people having to literally quit the game and not talk about it anymore. That in turn creates negative publicity and then it becomes a downhill trend. That’s the point i’m getting at. Someone said the game isn’t going to die. If we continue to go down this road of criticism isn’t allowed and you need to value every dev decision then yeah, it is.