Criticism of Shadowbringers and the hostility there in

[KizuyaKatogami]

Eureka: people complained they HAD to do Eureka to get the relic and couldn't do normal content stuff like in the past.

Bozja: can do some normal content stuff to get the relic like in the past.

Firmament doesn't take anything away from beast tribes, unless you only do them for EXP. I've never had the option to do beast tribes for EXP, so that must be nice. Hell, I didn't have the option to do Firmament for EXP.

We got essentially 2 extra alliance raids with Bozja, compared to three we normally get. I found both of them fun, but then, I find most content in this game fun. Its why I still play it 10 years later. (or 8 if you want to nitpick ARR)
The reason people constantly have issues with criticism on these boards, is that its almost always "this thing sucks, they should have just done something else, or done a better version of the thing we hated before, even though this is similar to that and many would consider it an upgrade to said content" or my favorite "they should turn this game into a different game by changing core game aspects because us people who liked that game want it in this game too" despite people liking the way this game is...

The problem with Bozja is i do Bozja to do ShB content. I didn’t order and buy shadowbringers to play heavensward arr or sb. The bozja relic, to do it efficiently, requires you to revisit Arr,Hw,and SB raids/content. That’s horrible design. Instead of making the actual instance have more variety they instead just turned it back into Heavensward relics of run this old stale content 20 times. It feels like a large time sink just to keep people subbed.Yes bozja has given us two raid-like things but again, that came at the cost of extra dungeons, and an entire deep dungeon which would’ve featured more content than those two raids do. People just seem way too sensitive to criticism with this game which i mean...that’s the community as a whole but i digress.

[linayar]

Great! Then this game can go buy to play and they can just give us server access!

For what reason? They'd have to earn income to pay for cost elsewhere and people are already mad about the current online store.

I don't see how a subscription has anything to do with schedules.

When you don't want to/cant play, you don't have to pay. You'd still be able to do most contents that were released when you didn't susbscribe.

Because it has nothing to do with it.

Of course it does. It has nothing to do with anything else but the time when you want to have server access.

I didn’t order and buy shadowbringers to play heavensward arr or sb.

Well, that's just not how this game works. Contents from multiple expansions are still usable for various means. The expansions are actual expansions to the game, not their own separate game where you completely leave out contents from previous expansions. Of course, you can limit yourself to playing contents from the current expansion, but that's your own choice to do.

[SturmChurro]

For what reason? They'd have to earn income to pay for cost elsewhere and people are already mad about the current online store.

They would be (and already are) earning income, from people buying the game, expansion, and mogstation 'content', what is the purpose of the sub at that point?

[linayar]

They would be earning income, from people buying the game, expansion, and mogstation 'content', what is the purpose of the sub at that point?

Paying the cost for using the server.

[SturmChurro]

Paying the cost for using the server.

Does the prior income earned not already pay the cost for using the server?

[linayar]

Does the prior income earned not already pay the cost for using the server?

I don't know, but it's also a for-profit company.

[SturmChurro]

I don't know, but it's also a for-profit company.

Could it be that with paying for a sub, there comes an expectation. Not for server access, but rather a constant flow of content. A patch cycle that Yoshida has rigorously tried to maintain, even through Covid?

That without paying for said sub, we wouldn't continue to get a patch cycle as such. Rather, we would see a decline in content?

[ZedxKayn]

When you don't want to/cant play, you don't have to pay. You'd still be able to do most contents that were released when you didn't susbscribe.

Oh, that explains why I need to sub to League of Legends, Left 4 Dead, ESO, Overwatch, etc... when I want to play.

Oh wait.

[linayar]

Oh, that explains why I need to sub to League of Legends, Left 4 Dead, ESO, Overwatch, etc... when I want to play.

Oh wait.

Sorry? Was I speaking about other games? No, I was speaking about FFXIV and what subscription in FFXIV gives you.

[ZedxKayn]

Sorry? Was I speaking about other games? No, I was speaking about FFXIV and what subscription in FFXIV gives you.

And honestly, we should get more from our sub than what we're getting, which is the original argument, and has absolutely nothing to do with schedules.