Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[Nayout]

If people are missing skills because they haven't done their job quests, then feel free to let them know. Try to do it politely/encouragingly if you want them to follow your advice.

Or rather maybe people should be more attentive to the tutorials and the messages of the game before entering a dungeon? In ARR and Heavensward it was normal to see people without their advanced classes or without all the skills because the game barely told you about them but currently there is no excuse other than being a lazy person who does not care about their time or that of the rest.

[linayar]

Or rather maybe people should be more attentive to the tutorials and the messages of the game before entering a dungeon?

Your ideal expectation of what others should do before entering a dungeon won't help you once you're already inside the dungeon.

The OP asked what can be done about it, and hoping that others would do what you want them to do without you (and other people) having to encourage them to do so is unrealistic.

[Nayout]

Your ideal expectation of what others should do before entering a dungeon won't help you once you're already inside the dungeon.

The OP asked what can be done about it, and hoping that others would do what you want them to do without you (and other people) having to encourage them to do so is unrealistic.

And that's the reason why every day I always have to kick people from dutys

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The frustration are relatable. But other than that, I don’t see it changing nor do I have any high hopes for it.

Go in with premades/friends of similar minds, leave when things go south, or lower your expectations.

Pick your poison, basically.

[strawberrycake]

The frustration are relatable. But other than that, I don’t see it changing nor do I have any high hopes for it.

Go in with premades/friends of similar minds, leave when things go south, or lower your expectations.

Pick your poison, basically.

This basically my current approach

[Lanadra]

And that's the reason why every day I always have to kick people from dutys

If you legit have to kick people every day, I would say you're the problem. I pretty much never have to kick people and I do everything through DF with whatever randos the game gives me.

[MilkieTea]

If you legit have to kick people every day, I would say you're the problem. I pretty much never have to kick people and I do everything through DF with whatever randos the game gives me.

There's a saying that goes: "If it smells like s*** everywhere you go, it's time to check your shoes."

If you're having issues with every or almost every DF, it's time to analyze yourself and accept that maybe you're the problem.

[Saefinn]

There's a saying that goes: "If it smells like s*** everywhere you go, it's time to check your shoes."

If you're having issues with every or almost every DF, it's time to analyze yourself and accept that maybe you're the problem.

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As the responses keep coming in, and having read alot of them. I see why NA/EU can't have nice things and are so far behind JP. Maybe they shouldn't ever listen to us.

Dare I say, your responses have been pretty telling too as to why it's roughly half the groups you get into are 'bad' when I've not see it as that high.

The game already has an option for you to avoid this if it's so intolerable for you.

People who don't meet your standards play the game. People get different things out of the game to you also play. Me? I prefer to help them, because I think it's better, especially if people pay it forward. It was the principle I was met with by FFXI's community back when I was bad at MMO's and once I "got gud" I paid it forward in helping others and have carried the same attitude over and in my experience of this game's community, that's what it usually is but with some bad eggs, but not as many as you imply. That I think is way more positive than "you're bad, stick me with somebody who isn't".

But that said if you prefer to avoid them because you have some nihilistic perspective on this game's community then that's your prerogative, you can make your own groups where you can be more selective than DF.

[Hikelos]

snip.

This has been a problem for years now, innumerable constant discussions about it, and yet we still get people deflecting away from the actual problem by pretending this is an issue about "gameplay performance".
The performance of the average player is only a symptom of the larger issue of community behaviour and ToS enforcement empowering the worst people among the playerbase.

Nobody is complaining about sub-par performance such as messing up your rotation, or missing a mudra, or missing a GCD, what OP and everyone else is talking about is people adamantly refusing to meet the very bare minimum.
And read that carefully, not "Failing", but "Refusing".
Adding to that, as others have said in this thread and as I know to be the case, a lot of the time these people will chastise you for trying to help someone who's making honest mistakes, which further exacerbates the problem and 'infects' new players with this mentality.

[SenorPatty]

If you legit have to kick people every day, I would say you're the problem. I pretty much never have to kick people and I do everything through DF with whatever randos the game gives me.

That's what I'm thinking as well. Back in sb, i used to run df roulettes with some raiders from my fc back then and rarely did we run into players being detrimental to the run or sub performing badly. They just used regular rotations, they used most of their job kit, nothing optimal but even that was more than enough. Today, nothing's really changed from those times.

Something is not being said or admitted from those people who have bad luck every day or run into terribad skilled players everyday. Like honestly, every day man? If that's true, my condolences to that person's headstate. Imagine selecting a roulette and already dreading with disappointment and having votekick on speedial