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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkevorkhat View Post
    The story of G'raha Tia was related to the main story, but the MSQ of shadowbringers can almost entirely stand on its own feet without any real understanding of the relation of the Exarch to the crystal tower on the source. The post-Shadowbringers MSQ is a slightly different matter, but even that could be explained away with a few lines of expositional dialogue, instead of wasting hours of each player's time going through the crystal tower raids.
    We are sailing deep into spoiler territory here, but...

    The thing is, Shadowbringers 5.0 was written to make sense whether you had done the Crystal Tower raids or not, because the time travel element means that the Exarch has been through those events with you even if you haven't yet done it yourself. (The non-CT version of the story doesn't quite line up, but it worked enough to make sense.)

    5.3 doesn't work like that. You, here and now, are getting G'raha out of the tower, so he needs to be in there first. And for him to be in there, you need to do CT.

    As I said earlier – the writers seem happy for things to be a little bit off if you haven't done certain side stories, but they won't pretend you've done something that you didn't. You need to have personally been there with G'raha, or the story doesn't make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    We are sailing deep into spoiler territory here, but...

    The thing is, Shadowbringers 5.0 was written to make sense whether you had done the Crystal Tower raids or not, because the time travel element means that the Exarch has been through those events with you even if you haven't yet done it yourself. (The non-CT version of the story doesn't quite line up, but it worked enough to make sense.)

    5.3 doesn't work like that. You, here and now, are getting G'raha out of the tower, so he needs to be in there first. And for him to be in there, you need to do CT.

    As I said earlier – the writers seem happy for things to be a little bit off if you haven't done certain side stories, but they won't pretend you've done something that you didn't. You need to have personally been there with G'raha, or the story doesn't make sense.
    I mean, this only makes sense as long as nothing of consequence ever happens without the WoL's intervention.

    Was the WoL was even needed in the CT storyline to begin with? There weren't any primals locked up in there, so the only difference between the PC and any random person is that we've got the Echo, which is functionally unneeded for the 3 raids in CT, since again, nothing there will temper you, and I'd expect that Cid Garland of all people could figure out how to get through a tower full of Allagan tech.

    The story would have been internally consistent regardless of the WoL's intervention, with the basic requirement that Cid and the literal heir to Allag be minimally self-sufficient, which is a requirement that they've proven time and again is one that they meet.
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