MSQ

[BlitzAceRush]

I don't think his absence was that conspicuous. It's not like we had a reliable way to summon him before that, and he wasn't the one we needed to speak to.

It's not about us needing him, this was a very pivotal moment for his kind that he'd show up for so many other things, but not this and this being after that side story would have taken place, in fact he hasn't appeared at all since where you can logically slot that side story into the canon if it was required.
It just felt very out of place for me, the last time we spoke with her, he was there, this was such a large call back to that time and he was a big part of that moment and it being a big moment, and it could have felt far more genuine if he convinced her it was time to move on, not that it didn't feel right coming from us, I just don't see any reason for him to not have made an appearance other than he couldn't and there's only one reason why he couldn't have been able to.

[kiagenwa]

What's the point in that?

I am a return player and I enjoy all the story FFXIV offers.
If you don't care for story and just want to go to latest expansion, then how about purchase the adventurer's tale in Mogstation?

Honest. I spent a month and I'm still in early HW. The way I see this will take me 3 months or more, unless you play the game full time.
If you don't value MSQs at all, then the time doing them are a waste. You'd be better off jumping to ShB content.

[Iscah]

What's the point in that?

I am a return player and I enjoy all the story FFXIV offers.
If you don't care for story and just want to go to latest expansion, then how about purchase the adventurer's tale in Mogstation?

Honest. I spent a month and I'm still in early HW. The way I see this will take me 3 months or more, unless you play the game full time.
If you don't value MSQs at all, then the time doing them are a waste. You'd be better off jumping to ShB content.

"The point" is that the creators have decided that their MMO is one that values story and makes it an integral part of the game.

If you disagree with their choice, you can pay to skip it or you can find a different MMO that caters to your playstyle.

Not every game needs to cater to every taste - I've tried and abandoned so many games over time. This is one that I do enjoy.

[Penthea]

Not every game needs to cater to every taste - I've tried and abandoned so many games over time. This is one that I do enjoy.

It's impossible to please everyone. People's tastes can be so different. By trying to please everyone you end up pleasing no one. The best thing anyone can do is make sure their target audience is happy. It's clear from the success of this game that most players are fine with the msq being the driving force in the game. If they were not the game would have flopped a second time.

I wish more people understood that something not being to their taste doesn't mean it's automatically bad.

I tried Persona 5 and I didn't enjoy it due to the required time management. It was a serious turn off. I'm the sort of person who wants to be able to take their time and do as much or as little as they want when they want to. I didn't think "oh god this game is so bad" I thought "this game is bad for a person like me" because that's literally what the situation is. Persona 5 is a super popular and highly praised game, clearly it's an excellent game for so many other people. It just so happens it's not for someone like me.

And the same goes for how the msq is the driving force in this game. FFXIV wouldn't have become popular if the majority didn't enjoy the msq being a core feature. If a person can't stand the role the msq has then this game is not for them. Simple as that. There are other games to play. I didn't demand Persona 5's time management be changed or removed. I just shelved it and played something else. Much better use of my time to play something that caters to my tastes instead of demand anything that doesn't be changed to the point that the act of playing the game would hugely change. That sort of change just isn't going to happen if the majority of the target audience either have no issue with the feature you dislike or actually enjoy it.

The msq isn't going anywhere. If skipping cutscenes or having the option to purchase a story skip isn't enough, go play something else that doesn't have a core feature you hate dealing with.

[TheMightyMollusk]

You're not the Warrior of Light yet when you meet the Company of Heroes. You're still a fledgling adventurer with one noteworthy achievement to your name.

[Shibi]

You're not the Warrior of Light yet when you meet the Company of Heroes. You're still a fledgling adventurer with one noteworthy achievement to your name.

Heh. Granted.

But that whole 2.0 mess is still not a fun story line, and never was, even back in 2013 when I first struggled and gave up screaming with the gobbie cheese. Then in 2015 when i tried a second time and gave up screaming about the same point.

Even cut down, it still drags on and on with menial food-delivery tasks. Nobody can say 2.0's an engaging story.

[BlitzAceRush]

Heh. Granted.

But that whole 2.0 mess is still not a fun story line, and never was, even back in 2013 when I first struggled and gave up screaming with the gobbie cheese. Then in 2015 when i tried a second time and gave up screaming about the same point.

Even cut down, it still drags on and on with menial food-delivery tasks. Nobody can say 2.0's an engaging story.

It's kind of subjective there, while you can say it is long, I personally enjoyed it then, and when I redid it prior to them cutting it it down, in fact I actually enjoyed it less after they cut it down as I felt it lost some things I liked. I did find it engaging, so I guess someone can say it. Is it as grand as a lot of what comes after? No, but it is the beginning of the tale and they can be humble.
A lot of the issue stems from the mentality, a lot of people are "slogging" through it to get "past" it, it's a means to an end, a roadblock something in the way. I never saw it as that, it's just me going through the story, I wasn't trying to get anywhere else, I was where I wanted to be, enjoying the story.

Funny story, my brother picked up the game little over two years ago, he felt much the same, was "slogging" through the story, trying to rush, he wanted to catch up, to be with me, to be at the end with me. I told him to "Slow down, take his time." That I "Envied him having so much ahead of him and he'll regret it when like me he was just sitting patch to patch waiting for what was next." But he didn't listen, he just wanted to be at the end with me, he wanted to see all the cool stuff he'd seen in the trailers and get all the cool spells and gear, he wanted to see where the story ended up. So he played and played and rushed. Come 5.1 he'd finally caught up, only, he was one quest away from being all caught up, it was only a week till 5.2 was due out, so I asked him why it had taken him 3 days and he'd still not finished the last quest? He replied. "I don't want it to be over, you were right, I should have gone slower, I miss having stuff ahead of me." He now knew how I felt and he hated it.

[Shibi]

It's kind of subjective there, while you can say it is long, I personally enjoyed it then, and when I redid it prior to them cutting it it down, in fact I actually enjoyed it less after they cut it down as I felt it lost some things I liked. I did find it engaging, so I guess someone can say it. Is it as grand as a lot of what comes after? No, but it is the beginning of the tale and they can be humble.

A lot of the issue stems from the mentality, a lot of people are "slogging" through it to get "past" it, it's a means to an end, a roadblock something in the way. I never saw it as that, it's just me going through the story, I wasn't trying to get anywhere else, I was where I wanted to be, enjoying the story.

It's likely where SE are not using their metrics correctly. The slog isn't from the number of quests. It's from how boring the filler in the 2.0 story is, moreso in the English version where Haurchefant is completely nuetered.

I mean.. this https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/It_Won%27t_Work isn't exactly riveting stuff.

[BlitzAceRush]

It's likely where SE are not using their metrics correctly. The slog isn't from the number of quests. It's from how boring the filler in the 2.0 story is, moreso in the English version where Haurchefant is completely nuetered.

I mean.. this https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/It_Won%27t_Work isn't exactly riveting stuff.

You or anyone else finding it boring doesn't mean everyone dose, as I stated I liked 2.x and found it engaging, even silly quests like the one you listed, there's nothing wrong with not liking them but that dosen't make them objectively bad.
Not every quest needs to be taking on Nidhog, it's like the saying you measure light against the dark, but if there's nothing but light... if every quest was full on action high excitement and spectacle, they all get weaker, you need downtime in a story to make the build up and crescendo actually feely like one. I enjoy the smaller less important quests because they often make me feel more like I'm in a world not a movie, a movie is often all the best bits, you never see the hero waiting in line at the store, but while not the most "riveting" stuff it's those kind of details that make them feel less like an action hero and more like a person, no ones life, not even the WoL's is exciting all of the time.

[Ravenblade1979]

I just face palmed. Has the op never played a final fantasy ever in their life? I mean this is what this game is just on a mmo scale. This game isn't for you. Ok move on to something mind numbing for a mmo like ESO or tera. Oh I forgot. tera has dungeons that are next to impossible to queue for.

Wanna like NMS have at it but that's a survival game unlike ffxiv which is a mmorpg. Legit a different genre altogether