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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardyvald View Post
    Oh no please no more of this shit.... They already ruined the "Alliance raid" slot with a collab, i'd prefer not seeing spillover more than necessary...
    I think it's already too late, we got no "Tribe quest" this time, maybe it was replaced by the Nier quest.
    But in the future I don't think we'll see more Nier. The arc has concluded and doesn't let rooms to anything "Nier"else. On top of that, Nier is the only remaining content that concerns Norvrandt, Eden has concluded in 5.4.
    At most we'll get extra feature/content in Norvrandt but I doubt about that unless they find a way to connect the source and the first.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ardyvald View Post
    As far as i'm aware, FFXIV is kind of a "Theme Park" reuniting all Final Fantasy games, more or less.
    To me, collabs are just collabs, they shouldn't replace main content. Ever.

    And I disagree with the "This is canon because story and impact in the world" statement. Why ? Because this would then, by default, put anything lasting in the game as canon, wherever that content comes from. So yeah cool, let's just do a Mario Collab / Horizon Collab replacing main content and weave a story around and tadaaaaaaa ! that's canon!
    XIV is a theme park, sure. But it reimagine things and invent. Or create things any FF players could not experience before.
    Omega Vs Shinryu happened way long ago before FF V yet we witnessed it.
    Bismark is an odd summon that rarely appears and it has a major role in HW. Same goes for Lakshmi.

    The difference is that most content is integrated into XIV and so far only Nier exists in its own bubble, which already exist in Norvrandt, a place cut from the source.
    To explain it better, if you cut Crystal Tower raids, the story makes no sense. If you cut Alexander, you have a major plot hole. You can't cut Ivalice as Bozja and the IVth legion are heavily tied to it, which are part of the Garlean empire.
    You can cut Shadow of Mhach, you'll get less story as the raid wasn't as connected (until the future?) but Nier, you can cut it entirely and you would miss nothing. It doesn't brings anything to XIV universe and is not anchored on anything existing.

    You could even make another separate Nier collab, it couldn't be tied to Nier:Automata collab since it's in Norvrandt and isolated, unless it's in Norvrandt again.
    That's how """canon""" Nier raid is. You can apply the Nier raid story to any other game, even Mario, MH or Pokemon they come from another world, they do things that doesn't impact the world or are tied to the world, they all suddenly leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    I think it's already too late, we got no "Tribe quest" this time, maybe it was replaced by the Nier quest.
    This is not the case.
    Yoshi P said they didn't have a big capstone tribe quest for ShB because they couldn't think of a good one and Covid made them axe a lot of "non essential content."
    We're not getting Yorha weeklies instead of a tribe quest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    I think it's already too late, we got no "Tribe quest" this time, maybe it was replaced by the Nier quest.
    But in the future I don't think we'll see more Nier. The arc has concluded and doesn't let rooms to anything "Nier"else. On top of that, Nier is the only remaining content that concerns Norvrandt, Eden has concluded in 5.4.
    At most we'll get extra feature/content in Norvrandt but I doubt about that unless they find a way to connect the source and the first.

    XIV is a theme park, sure. But it reimagine things and invent. Or create things any FF players could not experience before.
    Omega Vs Shinryu happened way long ago before FF V yet we witnessed it.
    Bismark is an odd summon that rarely appears and it has a major role in HW. Same goes for Lakshmi.

    The difference is that most content is integrated into XIV and so far only Nier exists in its own bubble, which already exist in Norvrandt, a place cut from the source.
    To explain it better, if you cut Crystal Tower raids, the story makes no sense. If you cut Alexander, you have a major plot hole. You can't cut Ivalice as Bozja and the IVth legion are heavily tied to it, which are part of the Garlean empire.
    You can cut Shadow of Mhach, you'll get less story as the raid wasn't as connected (until the future?) but Nier, you can cut it entirely and you would miss nothing. It doesn't brings anything to XIV universe and is not anchored on anything existing.

    You could even make another separate Nier collab, it couldn't be tied to Nier:Automata collab since it's in Norvrandt and isolated, unless it's in Norvrandt again.
    That's how """canon""" Nier raid is. You can apply the Nier raid story to any other game, even Mario, MH or Pokemon they come from another world, they do things that doesn't impact the world or are tied to the world, they all suddenly leave.
    Nier being "just a collab". i'd be severely p*ssed off if they had made sure that the story fits in too much...
    The other collabs are written so you kinda know this is "alien" to the universe but "oh well, it's here". a collab doesn't have to fit in the universe as to become "part of it".
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