Months of harassment

[Vahlnir]

Frankly, I don't see what your "perspective" has to do with the topic of this thread or the conversation. I'll gladly argue in one of the many NN or Mentor threads - I always post in them, and have been doing so for years. Here, I assume, we are looking for solutions to stop this player. Getting rid of the NN - and in extension mentorship - would no doubt do so, full stop.

My perspective is very relevant to the conversation right here and now. You are the one who brought up wiping NN and the Mentor system off the map...and yet you still don't get it, honestly, largely because you don't want to. I tried to explain. Others have tried. Would removing it solve this issue? Yes, but that isn't beneficial to everyone. Not even close. At the end of the day, people should be asking for real solutions that benefit just about everyone. This? This is not it. But you know what? Let's just agree to disagree, because neither of us will budge on this and I know that. To be honest, I'm just getting frustrated debating with someone who doesn't want to hear a thing others are saying about this.

[SturmChurro]

My perspective is very relevant to the conversation right here and now. You are the one who brought up wiping NN and the Mentor system off the map...and yet you still don't get it, honestly, largely because you don't want to. I tried to explain. Others have tried. Would removing it solve this issue? Yes, but that isn't beneficial to everyone. Not even close. At the end of the day, people should be asking for real solutions that benefit just about everyone. This? This is not it. But you know what? Let's just agree to disagree, because neither of us will budge on this and I know that. To be honest, I'm just getting frustrated debating with someone who doesn't want to hear a thing others are saying about this.

I didn't bring up getting rid of the NN, I was agreeing with another user here, I did include mentorship as well though. I think it is the best solution, better than going down the rabbit hole of hardware or IP bans, etc.. Some mentors may pat themselves on the back for using NN for it's intended purpose, but I think it harms more than it helps. The removal of it would only be a benefit. Players do not need the NN - in it's current state - to give or receive help. Even an overhauled NN, or "new player" chat, would be better off, in my opinion. There are many avenues a new player can go to find help, even on their own. I never joined the NN when I leveled my main.. and I am glad I didn't!

[AstraBraifort]

Frankly, I don't see what your "perspective" has to do with the topic of this thread or the conversation. I'll gladly argue in one of the many NN or Mentor threads - I always post in them, and have been doing so for years. Here, I assume, we are looking for solutions to stop this player. Getting rid of the NN - and in extension mentorship - would no doubt do so, full stop.

As I've stated before, and as it says on the first page of this thread from other mentors on my server, the purpose of this thread is NOT for players to find solutions. It's to bring this to someone's attention higher up because after MONTHS of dealing with this guy and nothing being done, we felt the need to make this forum post back in December. Your clear distaste towards NN and your proposed "solution" to get rid of it is unneeded here. So, as you even suggest, please go argue whether NN should exist elsewhere in the forums. And that goes for anyone else in the thread who feels the need to get rid of NN because of this incident.

[SturmChurro]

As I've stated before, and as it says on the first page of this thread from other mentors on my server, the purpose of this thread is NOT for players to find solutions. It's to bring this to someone's attention higher up because after MONTHS of dealing with this guy and nothing being done, we felt the need to make this forum post back in December. Your clear distaste towards NN and your proposed "solution" to get rid of it is unneeded here. So, as you even suggest, please go argue whether NN should exist elsewhere in the forums. And that goes for anyone else in the thread who feels the need to get rid of NN because of this incident.

Perhaps I read the OP wrong..

I am bringing this to the forums because this is heavily disruptive to new and veteran players alike. None of us deserve this harassment every single day. Please do something about this guy. If you have SS's of this dude behaving as such, please feel free to post it in this thread. Something HAS to be done about this person, because this behavior is extreme, and very unacceptable.

In my opinion, the removal of the NN would stop this person in their tracks! I personally think this was a better solution for dealing with this person, than hardware or IP bans, free trial restrictions, or law enforcement via "hate speech". Getting rid of the NN, as I stated before, is like hitting two birds with one stone. Not only would this player's spam be stopped, as NN would be removed, it has the added benefit of ridding the game of something that was a good idea on paper NOT practice, I think.

I was simply giving my thoughts on the subject, a way that SE could handle this situation, for the benefit of all.

[Chie_M]

Perhaps I read the OP wrong..



In my opinion, the removal of the NN would stop this person in their tracks! I personally think this was a better solution for dealing with this person, than hardware or IP bans, free trial restrictions, or law enforcement via "hate speech". Getting rid of the NN, as I stated before, is like hitting two birds with one stone. Not only would this player's spam be stopped, as NN would be removed, it has the added benefit of ridding the game of something that was a good idea on paper NOT practice, I think.

I was simply giving my thoughts on the subject, a way that SE could handle this situation, for the benefit of all.

It's a display of supreme arrogance to decide that your personal vendetta against something is for the benefit of all.

[NanaWiloh]

Perhaps I read the OP wrong..



In my opinion, the removal of the NN would stop this person in their tracks! I personally think this was a better solution for dealing with this person, than hardware or IP bans, free trial restrictions, or law enforcement via "hate speech". Getting rid of the NN, as I stated before, is like hitting two birds with one stone. Not only would this player's spam be stopped, as NN would be removed, it has the added benefit of ridding the game of something that was a good idea on paper NOT practice, I think.

I was simply giving my thoughts on the subject, a way that SE could handle this situation, for the benefit of all.

Should just change it to a message board that mentors can add themselves too. New players then can just select a mentor from the board leaving a message that only that mentor can see with a 5 post limit per day. When a mentor does not want questions they remove themselves from the board. Gets rid of the spam and lets people who wish to help still offer help. Can even add indicators on the board for Mentors who are willing to do dungeons and other activites.

[SturmChurro]

It's a display of supreme arrogance to decide that your personal vendetta against something is for the benefit of all.

Excuse me? I was simply agreeing with another user here in their assessment:

You have a better chance having the Novice Network shut down (as Google searches, videos, in-game General chat and FC chat already cover what you get from the NN) if moderation tools are not strengthened. If the NN is not a safe space for newbies, it is acting contrary to its purpose and is no longer needed.

That is it! I have always labelled my posts as opinion. This is simply the solution I agreed with the most, not due to some so-called "personal vendetta". I have not stated as such here! I don't understand why a simple opinion - an agreement - is receiving so much backlash. It is just one of many proposed solutions in this thread! I may have some of my own opinions on NN, and mentorship as a whole, but that's besides the point - the main issue is this player's spam, and SE stopping it!

Should just change it to a message board that mentors can add themselves too. New players then can just select a mentor from the board leaving a message that only that mentor can see with a 5 post limit per day. When a mentor does not want questions they remove themselves from the board. Gets rid of the spam and lets people who wish to help still offer help. Can even add indicators on the board for Mentors who are willing to do dungeons and other activites.

An overhaul of the NN would do some good, I wish SE could adapt some of these suggestions, like yours, to the game. Something like this would also largely stop this player!

[Vinupra-Rosa]

I am not a mentor currently (...) specifically the removal of the mentor program.

I've never even been on Excalibur's NN, (...)

So. You have had bad experiences with ONE NN, and you decide that every single NN must be like that and, without bothering to engage in the system for years, maintain your extremely negative view on the system.

Look, I've been in Sargatanas, Midgardsormr, and Leviathan NNs for extensive periods of time and none of them are like this. All my experiences with Adamantoise and Faerie have been negative, but i haven't been in either long enough and consistently enough to form a valid opinion.

There HAVE been instances where we had mal-actors. Their existence is an inevitability due to the open forum nature of NN that we have to tolerate until they get banned or bored. Drama will happen every now and then, and sometimes it may stretch for months.

But here's the thing. These are incidents and don't reflect the default state of NN as a whole.

(...) I have principles (...)

Not principles. What you have is a singularly entrenched vendetta on a system you yourself had professed to have never touched in years, based on an extremely narrow perspective that you had never bothered to re-evaluate since then. Unreasonable and invalid by default.

(...) Removal of the NN would no doubt solve this issue.

In my opinion, the removal of the NN (...) for the benefit of all.

(...) I think it is the best solution (...) The removal of it would only be a benefit. Players do not need the NN (...) I never joined the NN when I leveled my main.. and I am glad I didn't!

And, as I stated countless times removing NN hurts more than it helps. It's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There are FAR less nuclear options that could solve the problem at hand. Anyone remotely reasonable would see that and go for the less dramatic options that may hamper NN a bit but won't outright remove it. Your support over this unreasonably excessive suggestion is simply because you can't think beyond your biases.

And I don't know how it is a benefit to you to have a system you yourself admit to not even engaing in, removed, but removal of NN is going to hurt those who exist in good NNs and offer their help.

It 'helped' you to be not in NN when levelling a job, and you're proud of that? That's a weird thing to be proud of but cool. You do you. But for me and plenty others, NN has been a boon. A friend of mine was inspired by NN to create newbie-focused video guides on classes and jobs, even. We link their vids often when offering help due to their level of polish.

Look, we WANT to keep NN. We CARE for NN. That's why we're concerned about this troll. The last thing we want is its outright removal.

[demonofelru]

The NN on Goblin has always been fantastic when I hop in.

[Awha]

The NN on Goblin has always been fantastic when I hop in.

Indeed the memes about certain raid boss are fun. Though goblin NN discord is a circle jerk at times, have a few mentors go on mini power trips over weird things.