Idea for venues

[NealSnow]

I don't think the fight against ERP is pointless. Eradicating it altogether is likely to be impossible, but it'd do wonders for the game if it went back into being out of sight and out of mind. If caught engaging in it, then punishments should absolutely be handed out - and people are being caught more often lately due to how brazen some individuals and groups have become.

...and it isn't any parent's responsibility to be there 24/7 to monitor what their children are doing. To expect as much is, I'd argue, stifling and unreasonable.

Even in cases of outright neglect, though, it doesn't suddenly erode away the blame for people indirectly or directly exposing minors and vulnerable players to inappropriate content. The rules are there for a reason and everybody agreed to them when signing up for an account.

But HOW exactly am I responsible for someone elses child? They are not my kid, I have zero responsibility to them as a result. I didn't decide to have sex, and have a child, and if somehow looking after and babysitting other peoples kids IS my responsibility... well wheres the child support?

[Resurrection_three_three]

They are not my kid, I have zero responsibility to them as a result.

Not according to me.

[NealSnow]

Not according to me.

Begone child with a mustache! And pester me no more!

[Resurrection_three_three]

Begone child with a mustache! And pester me no more!

You cannot escape from me, for I am absolute! My followers are growing and soon they will knock down all ERP venues.

[Awha]

I mean the whole things pointless honestly, trying to stop erp happening in an mmo is akin to asking for world peace, ain't gonna ever happen long as the games populated and online. Only way to truly stop it is go full scorched earth, and just shut the game down.

Sure you can crack down on the advertisements in PF... but the people running these joints will just adapt, literally nothing the devs or GM's do will stop it ever period. And honestly as far as "But won't someone think of the children!" goes with people, it should always and forevermore be the PARENTS job to monitor their children, ESRB rating be damned.

Parents should inform themselves of the possibilies of a game their child wants for those who would pay monthy for a an online game with chat functionality, not the devs, not the gm's, not the ESRB, the parents full stop. The moment a parent just shirks their duty and expects any outside force to parent for them... well they pretty much failed as a parent didn't they?

I'm so sick and tired of people always conveniently glossing over the parents in situations like this. If I had a kid, I'd monitor them from time to time in an mmo they play and if I saw them engaging willfully in erp, instead of yelling at the other person who likely was lied to of their age, or the game or the devs whatever it is! I'd punish my child first and foremost, because at 13 of age I'd let them know what it is, and if I catch em doing it they can say bye to playing it anymore.

And for anyone who says "Yeah okay but what if the person who was doing it with your child KNEW they were underage huh!?" Well then, I'd blame the PERSON not the game or devs, because I have common sense enough to know the risks of letting my child play the game, and would just report the player so GM's could look at the logs, and see that the person clearly knew and just didn't care.

And yeah I erp, but its not even the prudes who annoy me at this point, prudes gonna prude. It's the people always harping on about "oh the poor children" and never seem to discus where the parents are, why are they being neglectful, or bad parents. Cause once again its on the parents to actually parent, be involved. If you just let your child play anything without looking into it yourself and the possible risks, thats on YOU as a parent.

As an already grown adult, you should know the world is not, and never will be a hug box for children, or anyone for that matter. Stuff happens, but its on you as a parent to try and prevent as much of the preventable stuff as possible. Not let little timmy just do what he wants long as it keeps him out of your hair.

So I am not crazy here I thought I was the only one who thought like this.

[Infindox]

So I am not crazy here I thought I was the only one who thought like this.

You're far from being alone. Parents use games as a babysitter and then blame someone else.

[SenorPatty]

You're far from being alone. Parents use games as a babysitter and then blame someone else.

It's the Mortal Kombat days again, when parents would storm Gamestop and give crap to the minimum wage store clerks for selling the game. Nvm the kids circumvented by having another older kid from the neighborhood buy the game for them or miraculously convincing their own parents thay the game was "mild".

Regardless, all this is irrelevant really. No one is ever going to convince SE to change their TOS for ERPers and their brothel venues in the same way no one's gonna convince Yoshi-P to build official parsers for the game. You'd think people would've learned this reality by now but here we are...

[Arillyn]

I'd be down for an RP tab in PF. But the +18 are still going to get reported and GMs will warn, ban, whatever they are doing with those because it doesn't fall in line with SEs game rating.

Honestly I didn't know there was such an issue with ERP until all of this blew up lately on the forums. I RP on Balmung with my group of friends and go on adventures together and we create stories. Kind of old-school RPing. We don't ERP and we don't go to venues that have that. From what I've seen on the forum posts lately it seems a lot of these issues came from Aether and Primal venues posting because they wanted to make money from erp (not saying Balmung doesn't have erp, but it seems a lot of these issues have been happening on the other data centers).

[BunniEclair]

It's the Mortal Kombat days again, when parents would storm Gamestop and give crap to the minimum wage store clerks for selling the game. Nvm the kids circumvented by having another older kid from the neighborhood buy the game for them or miraculously convincing their own parents thay the game was "mild".

Regardless, all this is irrelevant really. No one is ever going to convince SE to change their TOS for ERPers and their brothel venues in the same way no one's gonna convince Yoshi-P to build official parsers for the game. You'd think people would've learned this reality by now but here we are...

This particular discussion is actually not like that...at all. Nobody is asking people to be responsible for other people’s kids. This also isn’t about the actual content that the game itself provides, which is adequately rated and parents absolutely should know what that entails.

What is being asked of ERPers is that they have accountability for their actions to and around minors. FFXIV asks that its players behave accordingly while sharing a space with minors, and this includes not openly advertising sex services in shared spaces where they are present (PF, shout, etc). That’s it. And for some reason E/RPers seem to think this is such a huge ask and wants to play like they are the victim adult just trying to have a good time while The Prudes and Karens persecute them.

Some people here need to get a grip.

[SenorPatty]

This particular discussion is actually not like that...at all. Nobody is asking people to be responsible for other people’s kids. This also isn’t about the actual content that the game itself provides, which is adequately rated and parents absolutely should know what that entails.

What is being asked of ERPers is that they have accountability for their actions to and around minors. FFXIV asks that its players behave accordingly while sharing a space with minors, and this includes not openly advertising sex services in shared spaces where they are present (PF, shout, etc). That’s it. And for some reason E/RPers seem to think this is such a huge ask and wants to play like they are the victim adult just trying to have a good time while The Prudes and Karens persecute them.

Some people here need to get a grip.

I didn't make a direct connection here but here it is: asking ERPers to have that accountability is a lost cause. They're never going to take it. SE is already doing its job so it's going to have to be entirely on parents to watch and protect their kids. Like the Mortal Kombat days, don't get fooled by your kids about what they're doing online and who are they interacting with until they're old enough to burn their own hands if they don't listen. Asking and hoping ERPers will see the light of their actions is pointless. And at least, in MK's case, the video game industry finally regulated themselves, not because they had a change of conscience but because they were allowed to do so. There's no "regulating" for ERPers themselves in FF14 because that alternative simply means they become "clean" RPers instead. Which, I'm fairly certain, is not their aim.