Dear SE

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I mean, Automata isn't even really that good to begin with. The first one, Gestalt/Replicant, is pretty good though. People often forget it even exists, however.

Well, the remake comes out Friday so..


And I disagree on automata, tho I don't think it was the right fit for a crossover. Drakengard would make more sense imo. I still enjoyed the raid series tho.


The how doesn't necessarily need to be explained, at least imo. Weirder stuff has happened in the game.

[Doozer]

Well, the remake comes out Friday so..

I'm referring to the originals not the remake, and even then, take note of how many people say "Nier" when they're referring exclusively to Automata. At least in the west, the title of the original game was shortened to simply "Nier", so you can see how that can be confusing.

[CKNovel]

The Tower certainly could have used some more varied visuals.

The white tower/cyberspace areas aren't 'bad' imo but having the first 3/4 of the raid be just that wasn't great.

They could have for example drawn from Nier Replicant visually for the Knave of Hearts and Hansel & Grettle encounters, and saved the cyberspace thing for the Red Girl boss who actually makes use of it by incorporating the hacking mini game stuff from Automata into the mechanics and boss arena.

The final boss arena is gorgeous but they could have done a lot by say, having us fight the Knave of Hearts in the Library from hte first Nier and Hansel and Grettle in the temple area thing they're fought in.

Definitely agree. I mean, in Nier Automata you need more than 30 minutes to climb the tower.
In the raid, it's Cyberspace 1 -> Cyberspace 2 -> Elevator -> Top of the tower.
Imagine if FF7R you could just take the elevator to the President office.

[Bright-Flower]

Well, the remake comes out Friday so..


And I disagree on automata, tho I don't think it was the right fit for a crossover. Drakengard would make more sense imo. I still enjoyed the raid series tho.


The how doesn't necessarily need to be explained, at least imo. Weirder stuff has happened in the game.

I think Automata could have worked just fine, if they'd gone the Ivalice route and adapted it into the setting and not just 'they came from anothe world.'

Just taking the raid series name: YoRHa: Dark Apocalypse, it could have easily tied into the final days of Aumoraut, or the bad timeline that the Crystal Exarch came from, to explore those things more. Probably the latter more so given that Endwalker will probably be delving more into the final days stuff.

The problem isn't that Automata couldn't have fit, but rather the direction they took with it.

[BlitzAceRush]

I felt the opposite, I was fine with it being "they came from space, deal with it." and I felt Ivalice suffered the reverse problem, while the raids were fun everything in-between felt like my WoL was being forced into a "History of Ivalice" class in an effort to make the setting fit, they bored me because they had to both explain why this should make sense, while assuming I knew nothing about about Ivalice, so most of it's quest run time was taken up on trying to assure me this fits into the world at large, by the end of it I just didn't care.
By contrast YoRHa fit in just as much as it needed to, and as much as a lot of other elements in this game, people say "But it came from a portal" is weak when we have Dragons, "that came from space" super robot "that came from space" ourselves "but from an alternate world" our cat boy "but not as you know him!"

[ItMe]

I felt the opposite, I was fine with it being "they came from space, deal with it." and I felt Ivalice suffered the reverse problem, while the raids were fun everything in-between felt like my WoL was being forced into a "History of Ivalice" class in an effort to make the setting fit, they bored me because they had to both explain while this should make sense, while assuming I knew nothing about about Ivalice, so most of it's quest run time was taken up on trying to assure me this fits into the world at large, by the end of it I just didn't care.
By contrast YoRHa fit in just as much as it needed to, and as much as a lot of other elements in this game, people say "But it came from a portal" is weak when we have Dragons, "that came from space" super robot "that came from space" ourselves "but from an alternate world" our cat boy "but not as you know him!"

Hahaha well put.

[Vahlnir]

I mean, Automata isn't even really that good to begin with. The first one, Gestalt/Replicant, is pretty good though. People often forget it even exists, however.

Automata was a pretty solid game, but I feel that people would have benefitted more by playing Gestalt/Replicant prior to Automata. I think those who weren't already in the know were missing some crucial context. Thankfully I had the pleasure of playing Gestalt years before, and I still view it as one of the best games I've ever played. But I know many did not get the same chance. To everyone's benefit, that changes in 2 days. I can't wait.

[HiragiHOUX]

Fully agreed. Not only did this raid completely kill any potential of me wanting to check out anything about Nier, the third raid has made me feel physically nauseated to the point of, well, actually being sick. If these over-the-top glitching effects and graph-paper textures over everything is Nier's 'style', I sure as hell don't want to consume anything more like it. I never leave duty when I have a pop in Mentor Roulette, but for my health I may have to if I get this raid again.

People have complained that "well everything else is a crossover", meanwhile the other raids have all been crossovers with... other Final Fantasy titles. At least the stuff like Rathalos, Yo-Kai Watch, etc, have been confined to side stuff you never have to do. I mean, sure, you don't 'have' to do the Nier raids, but you do if you're not a raider and want to upgrade your Cryptlurker. Yes, I know you can buy Twine and Glaze from nuts, but those still take a while to rack up, especially if you're like me and your play hours aren't always during the day when most other players are on and hunt trains are going, compared to doing the raid once a week and having the token for upgrading. Even if the raid had been a crossover with a title I absolutely adored, I would still hate the concept of something not Final Fantasy being now officially main content. I get that this is fun and great for fans of Nier, but where I previously didn't care for it, I now detest it for being shoved down my throat and taking the spot of something that could have been much more interesting.

[Vahlnir]

Fully agreed. Not only did this raid completely kill any potential of me wanting to check out anything about Nier, the third raid has made me feel physically nauseated to the point of, well, actually being sick. If these over-the-top glitching effects and graph-paper textures over everything is Nier's 'style', I sure as hell don't want to consume anything more like it. I never leave duty when I have a pop in Mentor Roulette, but for my health I may have to if I get this raid again.

Honestly, if you are turned off by this crossover then yeah you probably wouldn't last very long in Automata but you'd probably be okay in Gestalt/Replicant. It'd largely be your loss though. They are great games, and this crossover really doesn't do it justice. The graphs and "hackerspace" are Automata only as far as I can remember, but they are a lot more polished outside of FF XIV. Even then they aren't everywhere, just in certain places (and not many to be honest) and while performing certain actions with certain characters. To be honest though, I get the same way with Minecraft. There's something about it that makes me physically ill while playing. I'd love to get into it, but my body won't let me. lol

Here's an example of what the Tower At Paradigm's Breach was inspired by.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nkmv1X_VY0

It's a bit less jarring in the game it came from. This video isn't high res either, though setting it to 720p helps a bit.

At the very least I would highly recommend you give Replicant a go. It's truly something special.

[VictorTheed]

I'm keep asking for the same crossover I always do, give me a Mortal Kombat crossover plz.