Being both good AND bad at the game?

[Wissp]

Recently I achieved the goal of clearing every one of the Coils raids, T1 through T13, at Minimum I-level and no echo. For those who have done the Coils raids MINE, you know how hard this is to achieve and is not an easy feat.

I have also done most of the 50 ex' primals MINE, and all of the 60 and 70 EX primals MINE level. (yes, even Thordan and Shinryu) Am currently working on the 80 EX ones MINE.


And yet, if I do many of the dungeon roulettes, I tend to totally, totally suck in them for some reason. Seriously, I screw up the boss fights and tend to die lots. My friends usually bet on if and when I will die in a dungeon instance.

If you have done any coils content, especially MINE you know you cannot really be carried, especially in stuff like Nael or Bahamut. You need to know your stuff, know mechanics, and know your role decently enough to get the clear. You don't and people die and the party wipes. So I am not an idiot at this. I went though every fight, got the clear legitimately, and in many of the fights did not even die at all on the clear run.

Yet if you are with me in a dungeon I am sometimes soooo bad at it that you would call me a noob who has no idea how to play the game and needs to 'git good'.

It's really so puzzling at times. I am really kind of curious to know if anyone else is like that. Good at hard stuff, bad at 'easy' stuff for some reason.

[kiagenwa]

maybe you got drowsy from long hours of gaming/work?

When I'm tired from work at times I forgot which way to go in leveling dungeons :/

[Penthea]

Perhaps you completely drop any trace of taking the easier content even remotely seriously so then you're prone to make silly mistakes. Or you're being distracted so much by something (messing around in voice chat maybe?) that you cannot pay enough attention. If what you're saying is true it's not that you can't do easier content, it's that you're not approaching it in a similar way to harder content. I'm not saying you have to be ultra serious about it, but it sounds like you need to give it more attention than you have been. Clearly some part of you just switches off in easier content, for whatever reason.

[RinaB]

I for one pay a lot more attention in raids then I do in dungeons and maybe youre doing the same thing? Sometimes ill run dungeons laying on my couch with my controller up in front of me but I never raid this way. It could also be the same reason people are far far more likely to get into a car accident within 5km of their home then across the city. Youre so comfortable with the area and the content you start making mistakes...like a 30 year carpenter cutting his fingers off.

[VelKallor]

Answer:

You are gifted in certain areas and not in others. We also have days when NOTHING goes right, we ALL have that happen. I've had Crystal Tower runs where I did it all right, other days I am a complete and total butterfingers.

Join the club, we have coffee mugs now.

[Gramul]

Makes sense enough to me. With a game this vast with a wide variety of game styles and mechanics, people are bound to shine in some places and have trouble in others

[Wissp]

Well I do work nights so actually I do these runs before work begins at 10 pm. But I know what you mean about being tired, the brain tends to turn to mush after 3 hours of banging your head against hard stuff.

Yes, if I am doing dungeons with friends, I am definitely more on the sillier side, but even in duty finder where I am more serious I will sometimes play poorly. Honestly, part of it is probably being with random people, not knowing what they will do and how they will play. But other times I have no excuse, I just play like crap and do dumb things.

And yes, doing the same dungeons over and OVER again does tend to make you lazy and do dumb things at times I will admit. It's when I am not being lazy, trying to focus, and be serious, yet do REALLY dumb things that make me wonder; wait, I AM good at this game, right?

[Shibi]

...It's when I am not being lazy, trying to focus, and be serious, yet do REALLY dumb things that make me wonder; wait, I AM good at this game, right?

There might be a bit of confirmation bias in this. In Coils (say first run of the week) you are expecting the harder fight and would brush off a minor mistake that put you on the floor and forget it. In a light party in a dungeon you haven't done for a week, you are of the mindset "pfüh, this is a cakewalk", well when you mess up - and you are human after all - it sticks more in your mind.

You are clearly skilled and have good reaction time and memory, so you likely no more bad in light parties than you are in alliances, just that you are recalling the mistakes in a light party more than you are in the alliance.

[Nethereal]

Recently I achieved the goal of clearing every one of the Coils raids, T1 through T13, at Minimum I-level and no echo. For those who have done the Coils raids MINE, you know how hard this is to achieve and is not an easy feat.

I have also done most of the 50 ex' primals MINE, and all of the 60 and 70 EX primals MINE level. (yes, even Thordan and Shinryu) Am currently working on the 80 EX ones MINE.

The content you are talking is so far back you had cross-class skills when it originally came out, all of the above is irrelevant content and is not a good place to get a scope of your skill as a player.
The content has been nerfed and jobs have been adjusted over the expansions and that does not get unerfed/unchanged regardless of if you do minimum ilevel and no echo the experience you will get now versus the experience people who originally did it when it came out will be vastly different.

And yet, if I do many of the dungeon roulettes, I tend to totally, totally suck in them for some reason. Seriously, I screw up the boss fights and tend to die lots. My friends usually bet on if and when I will die in a dungeon instance.

If you have done any coils content, especially MINE you know you cannot really be carried, especially in stuff like Nael or Bahamut. You need to know your stuff, know mechanics, and know your role decently enough to get the clear. You don't and people die and the party wipes. So I am not an idiot at this. I went though every fight, got the clear legitimately, and in many of the fights did not even die at all on the clear run.

Once again the content you've said you've cleared is not a good test of player skill nor knowledge the content you need to be doing to talk like this is current savage and ultimate. Even current extremes are not that hard and are usually memed both unintentionally and intentionally.

It doesn't matter how well you do in a perfect run but how well you do in a bad run.
A perfect run has no room for improvement but as humans we will always make mistakes eventually and how well you can adjust to these mistakes is part of what defines you as a good player.
You talking about how well you can do something you've spent numerous hours rehearsing is not the end all be all of a good player, in fact it's the bare minimum required to be decent at this game.

Yet if you are with me in a dungeon I am sometimes soooo bad at it that you would call me a noob who has no idea how to play the game and needs to 'git good'.

It's really so puzzling at times. I am really kind of curious to know if anyone else is like that. Good at hard stuff, bad at 'easy' stuff for some reason.

It's because you've only improved your ability to mimic the same actions over and over again you haven't improved your ability to deal with erratic situations,(healer's adjust) if you had you wouldn't struggle so consistently with (any)dungeon content at all as it's all much more easy then all the content you've described having done.

My advice start with understanding the concept of damage.
Look into maining one class and start practicing savage and when you feel you've reached a peak try ultimates.

[MPK]

Well there is an objective way to tell how go you are by comparing yourself to others and there is a good resource for you to do so.