Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 1)

[EdwinLi]

I wonder if they ever consider using porxie on the WoL just to check if he/she is tempered by Hydaelyn

Consider WoL has not shown signs of mindlessly murdering all his or her allies under the name of Hydaelyn, most likely not. After all it is only just recently they started to consider Hydaelyn's nature and her current unknown silence for so long. A silence we know will finally be broken in 5.55 MSQ due to the 5.5 trailer.

[MoofiaBossVal]

Consider WoL has not shown signs of mindlessly murdering all his or her allies under the name of Hydaelyn, most likely not. After all it is only just recently they started to consider Hydaelyn's nature and her current unknown silence for so long. A silence we know will finally be broken in 5.55 MSQ due to the 5.5 trailer.

Being tempered ≠ being a murderhobo.

Ramuh reluctantly tempered his followers only when they asked him to do so, and even then, he never ordered them to kill anybody. The tempered sylphs who are hostile towards you in the sylphlands aren't attacking you because they are brainwashed and crazy; they're attacking you out of their own volition because they are scared and think you are coming to kill them.

If Hydaelyn has tempered the WoL, I can't see Hydaelyn giving the WoL any sinister orders. It'd probably be something cute along the lines of when Lelouch geassed Suzaku and ordered him to "live" or something. Hydaleyn could have also tempered the WoL to protect the WoL from being tempered by malevolent Primals who would, in fact, order the WoL to go on a murder spree, like when Ifrit tried to temper the WoL in ARR 2.0 but said "hm... I can't temper you because you already belong to another..."

[Rannie]

Hydaleyn could have also tempered the WoL to protect the WoL from being tempered by malevolent Primals who would, in fact, order the WoL to go on a murder spree, like when Ifrit tried to temper the WoL in ARR 2.0 but said "hm... I can't temper you because you already belong to another..."

Except for the fact that it has been shown that it is the Echo itself that gives us protection to being tempered. As shown with Fordola being given an artificial version of the echo and it protects her from being tempered and she's had absolutely no dealings with Hydaelyn. While the Blessing of Light may not turn us into homicidal maniacs to our friends and family, we sure do tend to have a fondness to destroying our enemies especially most especially the primals. Though a point to say on this... after we are first awakened to the echo and we hear her for the first time and all the times she even contacts us She always starts it off with Hear, Think, Feel. Mayhap that is the tempering she put on us.

Anway, spoilers i guess

MSQ

Eh not much I can say yet on it, I finished it before having to go to bed yesterday morning and still am kinda half trying to digest it even now. I will say that when they started talking about freeing Tiamat, I had a feeling that Estinien was going to end up riding her. I mean we've ridden Middy, and Hraes, Aymeric has ridden a dragon. It was definitely Estinien's turn to ride one. Also while the dungeon was not too bad, I kinda felt that us finishing off Lunar Bahamut was in a way slightly lackluster, but otherwise I did enjoy fighting and seeing Tiamat put the smack down on it.

I think i've enjoyed more the fact that Estinien mistook Alisaie as Alphinaud in opposition of it always being Alphinaud (minus the one story we heard about Alphinaud's GF one time mistaking Alisaie) and G'raha absolutely fanboying over the Azure Dragoon. I mean I would probably do the same if I ever met someone who to me was a historical figure they've only read about and never met but now finally had the chance to meet them.

Also the call back to the dried squid and krile and tataru chasing Estinien down from the tales story was great too.

For the rest I'm going to wait patiently for 5.55 and 6.0 to formulate anymore thoughts on.

i may or may not post again later for other stuff... If i don't get too wrapped up in the stories for the quests and getting excited for a small birthday vacation next week.

[EdwinLi]

Being tempered ≠ being a murderhobo.

Ramuh reluctantly tempered his followers only when they asked him to do so, and even then, he never ordered them to kill anybody. The tempered sylphs who are hostile towards you in the sylphlands aren't attacking you because they are brainwashed and crazy; they're attacking you out of their own volition because they are scared and think you are coming to kill them.

If Hydaelyn has tempered the WoL, I can't see Hydaelyn giving the WoL any sinister orders. It'd probably be something cute along the lines of when Lelouch geassed Suzaku and ordered him to "live" or something. Hydaleyn could have also tempered the WoL to protect the WoL from being tempered by malevolent Primals who would, in fact, order the WoL to go on a murder spree, like when Ifrit tried to temper the WoL in ARR 2.0 but said "hm... I can't temper you because you already belong to another..."

I know that. I was just making a point WoL had not shown any signs of being concerned about so it never crossed their minds. You know like how people say "We never see this person do suspicious things, so we never considered investigating it"

Don't forget it is only recently they discovered Hydaelyn is a Primal and since there are no negative effects that would show anything of concern, there was never need to consider WoL being Tempered before during Shadowbringer MSQ (5.0 to 5.3) until recently due to now investigating the true purpose of Hydaelyn and Zodiark.

[Theodric]

On Hydaelyn:

I'm reminded of a thread made on this board a while back where someone eager to discuss potential routes as to where the story could be going proposed that Hydaelyn could, in fact, be a Primal. I distinctly remember a few of the regular posters sneering at the idea and dismissing it as impossible. Then Shadowbringers came around and...it was revealed that Hydaelyn was, in fact, a Primal after all! Of course, for a while there were those in denial. The Ascians had to be lying, according to some. Yet we saw evidence to the contrary in the form of Venat, confirming that...yes, Hydaelyn is in fact a Primal. Undeniably so.

The lore surrounding Tempering has been expanded upon significantly during Shadowbringers. I don't believe it should be dismissed as an impossibility that Hydaelyn could, in fact, have Tempered the Warrior of Light or that Hydaelyn has her own agenda at play that isn't in alignment with what our current cast of characters desire to see.