Housing Lotto - New Plot Acquisition Method

[Vahlnir]

That's not what we're saying at all if you would actually read our replies.

We don't think the current system is good. We also don't think a lottery will make it better because lotteries come with their own flaws. Change for the sake of change without improvement is a waste of time that could have been spent on working toward finding actual improvements.

Your lottery isn't going to fix only one house being available compared to the dozen people who want it. Wouldn't you rather see SE fix the supply problem over wasting time designing and programming a lottery that's still going to leave you disappointed because you still can't win a house?

If they don't get it after this then there is nothing any of us can say or do.

[Divinemights]

The lottery suggestion would mean somebody would win, guaranteed. Your chances are split based on how many go for the same plot. The probability is wholly different to playing lotto.

When people talks about Lottery don't work for house, it is from its "Probability" perspective where your base number (number of competition will increase) pool will be much larger
Jumbo catapot is use as illustration to show how low that probability is compares to current re-claim system.
You need to get the concept straight.

[Frizze]

I think some people are using "lottery" and "raffle" interchangeably, while others are treating them as discreet ideas. They are both poor solutions.

[Sotaris]

Also, just delete personals, who needs personals anyway.

Inviduals who decorate them, use them, do their gardening etc etc?

[Drkdays]

"New idea."

[geminipestdeath]

That's not what we're saying at all if you would actually read our replies.

We don't think the current system is good. We also don't think a lottery will make it better because lotteries come with their own flaws. Change for the sake of change without improvement is a waste of time that could have been spent on working toward finding actual improvements.

Your lottery isn't going to fix only one house being available compared to the dozen people who want it. Wouldn't you rather see SE fix the supply problem over wasting time designing and programming a lottery that's still going to leave you disappointed because you still can't win a house?

If they don't get it after this then there is nothing any of us can say or do.

The irony here is that neither of you actually read what I was saying despite me like... Breaking it down and bolding things. You're still focusing on the outcome, the win, and the obtaining of the house. You're still focusing on highlighting flaws against a lottery/raffle system based on the outcome and the goal, not the path there. If you guys didn't get it after I broke down why that system is preferred/valuable - even despite its flaws - then there is nothing I can say or do.

I really can't break it down any more simply than just repeating what I've already said. It isn't about the outcome. It's the unreasonable investment of both time and effort.

EDIT: It isn't "change for the sake of change without improvement" - you're just not finding improvement in the outcome. The improvement is in the time investment and it has always been about that. No-one is going to sweat losing a house in a lottery/raffle to one of the 100+ other people/bots who put in entries. They absolutely do sweat losing it to the dozen other people/bots after investing literal days of their finite life that they will never get back doing something so soul-wrenchingly boring, mundane, and exhausting.

[Vahlnir]

The irony here is that neither of you actually read what I was saying despite me like... Breaking it down and bolding things. You're still focusing on the outcome, the win, and the obtaining of the house. You're still focusing on highlighting flaws against a lottery/raffle system based on the outcome and the goal, not the path there. If you guys didn't get it after I broke down why that system is preferred/valuable - even despite its flaws - then there is nothing I can say or do.

I really can't break it down any more simply than just repeating what I've already said. It isn't about the outcome. It's the unreasonable investment of both time and effort.

We have explained our side of things in great detail. You have explained yours, also in great detail. I read your post, and wholeheartedly disagree with you, and that's a massive understatement. We will never agree by the look of things. I still feel that you are blinded by your frustrations with the current system and you can't see just how much worse it could get under a lottery/raffle. Neither system is a good one. Why settle for something just as bad, if not worse, and which comes with its own set of problems? We should be asking for real change, not switching one terrible system out for another terrible system. It solves absolutely nothing and frustrates the player base more. Let me ask, do you really want that? Truly? You'd be a fool to say yes.

[MilkieTea]

The irony here is that neither of you actually read what I was saying despite me like... Breaking it down and bolding things. You're still focusing on the outcome, the win, and the obtaining of the house. You're still focusing on highlighting flaws against a lottery/raffle system based on the outcome and the goal, not the path there. If you guys didn't get it after I broke down why that system is preferred/valuable - even despite its flaws - then there is nothing I can say or do.

I really can't break it down any more simply than just repeating what I've already said. It isn't about the outcome. It's the unreasonable investment of both time and effort.

EDIT: It isn't "change for the sake of change without improvement" - you're just not finding improvement in the outcome. The improvement is in the time investment and it has always been about that. No-one is going to sweat losing a house in a lottery/raffle to one of the 100+ other people/bots who put in entries. They absolutely do sweat losing it to the dozen other people/bots after investing literal days of their finite life that they will never get back doing something so soul-wrenchingly boring, mundane, and exhausting.

The issue is and has been supply. People are still going to be upset at the lack of supply - back in 2018 it was the same system with virtually no one upset because the supply was there. Instead of changing how houses are obtained, the focus should be on petitioning SE to up the supply to a level that befits the growth - not the projected growth but the actual growth currently happening. Just a few months ago XIV was at 20mil players, now it's at 24mil. Thats 4mil more players who can't get houses unless theyre on underpopulated EU or JP datacenters.

[geminipestdeath]

We have explained our side of things in great detail. You have explained yours, also in great detail. I read your post, and wholeheartedly disagree with you, and that's a massive understatement. We will never agree by the look of things. I still feel that you are blinded by your frustrations with the current system and you can't see just how much worse it could get under a lottery/raffle. Neither system is a good one. Why settle for something just as bad, if not worse, and which comes with its own set of problems? We should be asking for real change, not switching one terrible system out for another terrible system. It solves absolutely nothing and frustrates the player base more. Let me ask, do you really want that? Truly? You'd be a fool to say yes.

Good lord the condescension here... Yes. I would say yes. I would absolutely say yes, I've been saying yes, and I will keep saying yes. I will be that "fool" you so snootily regard me as. So I'll respond in kind:

I don't understand why it is so fundamentally difficult for you to grasp the value of finite time. Maybe you've nothing going on in your life that demands your attention. Maybe you've super powers - you don't require sleep, or food, or have real human needs, and can just sit there clicking on a placard ad nauseum. Maybe you aren't bothered by humdrum grinds with no guarantees because you have nothing else to occupy your mind. Maybe this is the source of your inability to grasp, relate, and sympathize with those who do have those needs, so you feel the need to denigrate them for disagreeing with you and advocate things in their own best interests. I genuinely do not know - I do not much care, either. All I know is that calling me a fool for wanting something in a game that is respectful of my very real, human needs because you apparently do not have these issues is so confoundingly absurd that it isn't worth further response.

We're done here.

[Vahlnir]

Good lord the condescension here... Yes. I would say yes. I would absolutely say yes, I've been saying yes, and I will keep saying yes. I will be that "fool" you so snootily regard me as. So I'll respond in kind:

I don't understand why it is so fundamentally difficult for you to grasp the value of finite time. Maybe you've nothing going on in your life that demands your attention. Maybe you've super powers - you don't require sleep, or food, or have real human needs, and can just sit there clicking on a placard ad nauseum. Maybe you aren't bothered by humdrum grinds with no guarantees because you have nothing else to occupy your mind. Maybe this is the source of your inability to grasp, relate, and sympathize with those who do have those needs, so you feel the need to denigrate them for disagreeing with you and advocate things in their own best interests. I genuinely do not know - I do not much care, either. All I know is that calling me a fool for wanting something in a game that is respectful of my very real, human needs because you apparently do not have these issues is so confoundingly absurd that it isn't worth further response.

We're done here.

I said you would be, not that you are. But, well...

Anyway, you are making an awful lot of assumptions about me, none of which are correct in the slightest. I have a very good understanding when it comes to the value of finite time. The most valuable currency in any MMO is time, after all. Last I checked I was also human, and with very human needs, but I guess that could change! It's a crazy universe. Back on topic though...Some aren't worried about time, while others want to make the most of their time. I fall into the latter group. I think that placard spamming is unreasonable. On the flip side of things, I think a lottery/raffle is just as unreasonable, not to mention it basically guarantees that most players still won't be able to get a house, and with even worse odds at that. There's also other issues stemming from this which have been explained already. So I ask you again, do you want a better system? Because so far you have indicated that you do not. You should though. Everyone should.