Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Exactly point. The same you say about Hroth splashs to Viera. Not same feet, hands... The thing here is, both are inspired by, they are original as a race from this universe of FF, but not unique or new as Au Ra. Which is not a bad thing.
Even the scenario being the "same" it is not. Remember that thing of Shards and stuff? It is like another universe, a reflection. But evolution and events turns them different. (Edit: the name issue Hrothgar/Viis I think is more a copyright stand as much as this lil' diferences about them, so for future legal stuff they would claim "But it is not the same, it is a reference!")
Be glad that no one understands you. Genious and crazy people share that and both do the difference. If everyone here agreed with everything, the topic would have died long ago, we just squish you so we can understand your stance and because it does a good debate.
That is why what you post in other topics are worth researching, to get to know a piece of you. The Fem Hroth or the DPS that pulls... I am more a lurker than active forum user, and I stand with you. Sing your heart out, being of different opinion is way more worthy, you argue with base other than others than just spits things like "coz ErP" which are just flames to stir the heat...
What I will close this debate here for now is that you keep hitting your hammer on the Ivalician Male Viera Lore to be worked on from previous games, when they here would be another reflection. They do need to insert their coming out of the jungle, but there is not anything to work like a Hollywood movie upon that. In the end will follow the same "Hero Quest" classic, how it will be written or located in the World of FF is beyond all of us.

See Id love to agree on that, but I think we can chop up the Viera Feet and Hands thing to just the devs taking a tiny bit of artistic liberty to make them work in their game so they can allow unlimited Glamour options. You think people would be ok with limited/no Boot options on Viera because of the weird feet? Would be interesting, but I think a similar backlash to limited headgear options would ensue.
Im not seeing the argument that Hrothgar are basically Ronso. I can meet you halfway that they are Inspired by Ronso, but they are not Ronso, you can't even say that Hrothgar are Ronso on a different shard, they simply are not Ronso. Ronso are a very specific type of Beast Race, the only thing the Hrothgar and Ronso share in common is that they are a Bipedal Anthropomorphic Feline Beast Race.
Ronso-Ronso-Ronso XDD

Thank you for the Kind words. I like you, very rational.
And I agree with you're last point.
Cheers~

[MikkoAkure]

Exactly point. The same you say about Hroth splashs to Viera. Not same feet, hands...

Just a sort of side thing, but the game that introduced viera, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, had both normal and strange hands/feet for viera depending on what job you played. FFXIV isn't the first example of more humanized viera since they've been portrayed that way since the beginning. The artwork wasn't very consistent and while most of the jobs have rabbit-like feet and long fingers in the artwork, others like sniper, white mage, and assassin have normal looking hands and feet and are wearing normal flat human shoes.

[SturmChurro]

No more races ever again. Considering the laziness put into them, would rather they just not put anymore resources into the idea.

Agreed! If male viera/female hrothgar were to come out just as limited as their counterparts, it wouldn't be worth the strain on the SE's resources. Better off just updating current races, at that point.

[KizuyaKatogami]

No more races ever again. Considering the laziness put into them, would rather they just not put anymore resources into the idea.

What kind of backwards logic is this?

[WhiteArchmage]

Additionally, Viera weren't even introduced in "their own game."
They were introduced in Final Fantasy Tactics (not even a main game, oof) as a playable race in a world setting that included them but wasn't about them. So adding Male Viera in 14 would be kinda poetic actually.

Technically speaking, they were introduced in FFT ADVANCE, so a spin-off of a spin-off. Also technically speaking, all races were mono-gendered in Advance (and A2), to the point that the game treats Ritz (the only playable Female Hume) as a Viera (fun fact, even though Mewt never fights, the game treats him as a Nu Mou). A2 actually had 2 Playable Female Hume (and not the generic shopkeepers of TA), but they were special characters. It wasn't until XII that Bangaa, Moogles, and Seeq even ACKNOWLEDGED their opposite sex.

Plus, the whole "Tactics Advance takes place in a Dream Ivalice that is not the TRUE Ivalice" thing which means we can't really treat anything in THAT game as canon; until A2 was a direct sequel except Luso actually goes to the REAL... well, it kinda retcons itself there... Because Ivalice has sometimes been a KINGDOM (FFT. Ovelia = "God, Please protect us thy sinful children of Ivalice"), or a Supercontinent (XII, where it's the region that expands Ordallia, Kerwon, and Valendia; Valendia later featuring in Vagrant Story), or... a dream realm based on an in-universe Final Fantasy videogame (FFTA), TA2 takes place in the Landmass of Jylland, which is retconned to be a part of the larger world of Ivalice, but TA2 is not actually a Matsuno game, so do we treat THAT one as Matsuno canon?

Basically, trying to piece together Ivalice's already conflicting canonicity and equating it to XIV's is an exercise in madness. (Fun Fact: Matsuno originally didn't intend to make Vagrant Story an Ivalice game, he only put in references to Agrias and Orlandeau as fanservice nods, but the fans got so wild that he eventually retconned them as being connected).

[Shin96]

No more races ever again. Considering the laziness put into them, would rather they just not put anymore resources into the idea.

Actually I entirely disagree. Viera and Hrothgar are quality design. It's just that the developers seem lazy and refuse to deliever when they could.

[LisSquid]

Actually I entirely disagree. Viera and Hrothgar are quality design. It's just that the developers seem lazy and refuse to deliever when they could.

Quality design like linking their hair to the tattoo slot? Making Hrothgar use fantasia to change their hair?

The fact hrothergar/viera came out half-baked doesn't mean we can't see f hrothgar/m viera, but you cannot say they released with quality when those "future custom hair options" never came while they released 3 hairstyles they can't use.

[Shin96]

Quality design like linking their hair to the tattoo slot? Making Hrothgar use fantasia to change their hair?

The fact hrothergar/viera came out half-baked doesn't mean we can't see f hrothgar/m viera, but you cannot say they released with quality when those "future custom hair options" never came while they released 3 hairstyles they can't use.

I was talking about the design, not the current state they're in.

The developers are mishandling them indeed. But I think both of them are very well done races with the exception of all the problems they currently have. But to say no new races should be added (even if that makes sense after 5.0) is just unnecessary. As far as I know they never stated the reason why both of the races are being ignored, not that I am aware of.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I was talking about the design, not the current state they're in.

The developers are mishandling them indeed. But I think both of them are very well done races with the exception of all the problems they currently have. But to say no new races should be added (even if that makes sense after 5.0) is just unnecessary. As far as I know they never stated the reason why both of the races are being ignored, not that I am aware of.

They haven’t afaik, they’ve been pretty silent about the promised hairstyles too so who knows what’s going on in that front.

[SturmChurro]

Quality design like linking their hair to the tattoo slot? Making Hrothgar use fantasia to change their hair?

The fact hrothergar/viera came out half-baked doesn't mean we can't see f hrothgar/m viera, but you cannot say they released with quality when those "future custom hair options" never came while they released 3 hairstyles they can't use.

Yep, female viera/male hrothgar released in a real sorry state. Like I said before, if they were to release the missing genders in the same state, it just simply wouldn't be worth the continuous strain on resources going forward after that.

Such a state, they would need a full on overhaul - I think - to 'fix' them. That is pretty bad.