Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Lauront]

Small indie company plz understand.

Jokes aside i agree with you. I’ve brought up before much to the disdain of many people that it’s weird how much content ShB took away despite it making so much money. Comparing it to stormblood it’s like night and day. We really should be getting more each expansion with the more players and money they get but with shb we saw a downgrade in a majority of content. Unfortunately not a lot of people share this sentiment and expect you to just get spoonfed by the devs and not question anything.

So long as they're earnest about working on an engine overhaul, I am willing to suffer through 5.0 and probably 6.0 seeing a content dearth, for the greater good this will yield for the game over the longer term. But I'll be a bit (lot) less understanding if they're just trying to see how much of a shoestring budget they can run the game on while retaining a decently high sub number. Still, I am willing to take Yoshi at his word for now that they're working on a new engine.

[WhiteArchmage]

So long as they're earnest about working on an engine overhaul, I am willing to suffer through 5.0 and probably 6.0 seeing a content dearth, for the greater good this will yield for the game over the longer term. But I'll be a bit (lot) less understanding if they're just trying to see how much of a shoestring budget they can run the game on while retaining a decently high sub number. Still, I am willing to take Yoshi at his word for now that they're working on a new engine.

May the Twelve hear you, brother. While Viera/(and especially) Hroth have it worst as far as customization, an engine overhaul would solve most of these problems in the long run (and correct me if I'm wrong but Yoshi-P mentioned last LL that part of the QoL changes was reducing load times across all platforms? Which from my limited understanding of game development means further optimizing the game, which COULD, again, from my limited understanding, open the doors for a customization overhaul).

[BunniEclair]

No, Im surprised that me asking for a non-lazy way to include Male Viera has gotten as much pushback as it does. And pretty confused how my main point is constantly ignored.
No, I didnt say they have to, the suggestion is the smallest thing of just making mention that Male Viera have joined the outside world. Then the player characters and NPCs running around wouldnt have the whole "rarity" inconsistency. And saying to just ignore it it doesnt matter is just lazy. Im asking for things to not be lazy...and you wanna fight me on that despite thinking the devs wont be lazy. Which...still makes no sense.

And I never once made an argument that Male Viera should NOT be in the game. I said I personally dont think they should be in the game.
I dont even think I once made the argument "Lore is the reason we cant have Male Viera" Not once. Reading this out load I know people will say its the same thing....
The difference to make here, is that I have never made an argument to explain why we CANT have Male Viera.
Never once made that argument. So Im pretty slacked jawed that people come at me arguing about something I never argued once.

At this point I don’t think even you know what your main point is or why you’re here. Literally nobody ever said “ignore it, it doesn’t matter”. The closest it ever got to that was suggesting that it could be the same or a similar reason that female viera leave, given that we only need to account for any npcs we encounter and WoL, who is a noted exception in all areas of the narrative. Other player character races do not need to be accounted for. Please see the abundance of catboys, au ra, and female viera. They are not a part of the canon narrative or lore.

And yes, saying “I don’t personally believe that male viera should be in the game” and then listing reasons why you think that is the same thing as arguing in general that they should not be added. Unless you know that your reasons aren’t good reasons, but you still really wanted to tell us about them.

In which case: weird flex, but carry on.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

At this point I don’t think even you know what your main point is or why you’re here. Literally nobody ever said “ignore it, it doesn’t matter”. The closest it ever got to that was suggesting that it could be the same or a similar reason that female viera leave, given that we only need to account for any npcs we encounter and WoL, who is a noted exception in all areas of the narrative. Other player character races do not need to be accounted for. Please see the abundance of catboys, au ra, and female viera. They are not a part of the canon narrative or lore.

And yes, saying “I don’t personally believe that male viera should be in the game” and then listing reasons why you think that is the same thing as arguing in general that they should not be added. Unless you know that your reasons aren’t good reasons, but you still really wanted to tell us about them.

In which case: weird flex, but carry on.

Made it clear several times what my point was. But Ok.
You'll read what you want to read. Power to you.

[ItMe]

I personally dont think that Male Viera should be put into XIV before their own main game.

I dunno man.
There isn't anything sacred about the idea of male Viera, that they need to hold them back for a grand unveiling.
Hell, it's not like 14 would be defining what Male Viera ARE because Yoshi P has been clear that they'd be doing FF14's version of male Viera.
Each game has their own version of moogles.
Each game has their own version of chocobo.
Male Viera are overdue for a debut and FF14 IS a mainline game...

Additionally, Viera weren't even introduced in "their own game."
They were introduced in Final Fantasy Tactics (not even a main game, oof) as a playable race in a world setting that included them but wasn't about them. So adding Male Viera in 14 would be kinda poetic actually.

I think too much emphasis and importance is being placed their debut.

[Lauront]

With Matsuno working on XIV alongside Yoshi, and another Ivalice-related game not in the cards in the near future, it seems like a really weird restriction to place on it, and one they wouldn't abide by anyway, since both the males and females already are in lorewise. If another FF wanted to implement them in a different way, nothing would stop it from doing so, but the fact that they're not in a main Ivalice title first just seems rather too high a bar to me. And if we're talking mainline games... yes, XIV definitely is one.

[AxelBranford]

The only thing Hrothgar have related to Ronsos is that they are called that on the 1st, and one customization option that features a Unicorn Horn.
Otherwise they have nothing to do with Ronso, they are not from the Snow Mountains. Ronso dont live under a Queen, they live by the word of an Elder. And Ronso Males are born with Horns.

2 completely different things.

Gotta disagree milady. Race differs from custom options. Lorewise, as you said they differ, but anatomy is the same (excluding the sore back issue). Following this, we could say that Male Viera from XIV is not the same as the Ivalice one, so there is no need for an "excuse in Ivalician Viera Lore" as they are different if so said.
And about people not getting about what you were so adamant, maybe you should be more explicit about what you think of "being lazy". I tried to search for a solid or more informative lore explanation for the release of male migo, female Roe and so on... but nothing.
As mentioned by a fellow poster, we really gotta see as our character as a singularity. Maybe in mmo interaction you break the immersion, but lorewise would be more immersive.
And sorry, people are not throwing stones at you. It is just that you really have some issue with Male Viera, clearly, as in Female Diva Hrothgar topic you send kitten's gifs and have another tone on your posts.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I dunno man.
There isn't anything sacred about the idea of male Viera, that they need to hold them back for a grand unveiling.
Hell, it's not like 14 would be defining what Male Viera ARE because Yoshi P has been clear that they'd be doing FF14's version of male Viera.
Each game has their own version of moogles.
Each game has their own version of chocobo.
Male Viera are overdue for a debut and FF14 IS a mainline game...

I mean, them being put into XIV is a Grand Unveiling in itself XD
They aren't Sacred, Id just prefer them in their own verse because I would like their lore expanded on to include the males. Something that has been absent for several games in the setting Viera Come from.
If they are just another FF thing that gets recycled and repurposed, we probly wouldn't be having this conversation and it wouldnt matter. But since they come from a specific setting, I just personally want that honored by some degree even if its in another game.

But these are just my personal feelings, doesn't matter if I like how they are included/if they are included.

Gotta disagree milady. Race differs from custom options. Lorewise, as you said they differ, but anatomy is the same (excluding the sore back issue). Following this, we could say that Male Viera from XIV is not the same as the Ivalice one, so there is no need for an "excuse in Ivalician Viera Lore" as they are different if so said.
And about people not getting about what you were so adamant, maybe you should be more explicit about what you think of "being lazy". I tried to search for a solid or more informative lore explanation for the release of male migo, female Roe and so on... but nothing.
As mentioned by a fellow poster, we really gotta see as our character as a singularity. Maybe in mmo interaction you break the immersion, but lorewise would be more immersive.
And sorry, people are not throwing stones at you. It is just that you really have some issue with Male Viera, clearly, as in Female Diva Hrothgar topic you send kitten's gifs and have another tone on your posts.

They literally are not the same race, they even go by different names and 100% work differently from Ronso. The Males having Unicorn Horns is the biggest difference I can point to in how they are different from Hrothgar. There isn't just a few Ronso Males that are born without Horns, all Males are Born with Horns. So the one Custom option we can get that comes with the Horn, and them being called ronso on the 1st, is moreso just fanservice and/or a reference. But they are Hrothgar, an original race to FFXIV. Not Ronso from FFX. Viera for the most part, work exactly the same as they do to...Viera. And are actually called Viera on teh Source the game mostly takes place in; even coming from the same homeland area thats apart of Dalmasca.
Do know, I really dont have an issue with Male Viera, anybody that thinks I do just dont understand my stance here. Its one thing and completely fine to disagree with me, but it feels more like Im just not understood. And I notice when Im not understood, people start filling my posts with things I never said or argued, which is quite annoying. Me posting cats and being optimistic on a Hrothgar thread and then me posting an unpopular opinion about how id personally like Male Viera to be added does not at all say I have an issue with Male Viera. That doesnt even make sense....

And this is quite old...but I never once made the argument that Lore, or any other reason is an excuse why Male Viera Can't be put into the game. Im not looking to Limit the Viera in any shape.
And the FemRoe and Male Miqote situation have no baring on the Male Viera conversation. They are races that were made one way in 1,0, then updated and changed in 2.0 with the games revival and rework. The Viera are not in the same situation and come from another game.

[AxelBranford]

They literally are not the same race, they even go by different names and 100% work differently from Ronso. The Males having Unicorn Horns is the biggest difference I can point to in how they are different from Hrothgar. There isn't just a few Ronso Males that are born without Horns, all Males are Born with Horns. So the one Custom option we can get that comes with the Horn, and them being called ronso on the 1st, is moreso just fanservice and/or a reference. But they are Hrothgar, an original race to FFXIV. Not Ronso from FFX. Viera for the most part, work exactly the same as they do to...Viera. And are actually called Viera on teh Source the game mostly takes place in; even coming from the same homeland area thats apart of Dalmasca.
Do know, I really dont have an issue with Male Viera, anybody that thinks I do just dont understand my stance here. Its one thing and completely fine to disagree with me, but it feels more like Im just not understood. And I notice when Im not understood, people start filling my posts with things I never said or argued, which is quite annoying. Me posting cats and being optimistic on a Hrothgar thread and then me posting an unpopular opinion about how id personally like Male Viera to be added does not at all say I have an issue with Male Viera. That doesnt even make sense....

And this is quite old...but I never once made the argument that Lore, or any other reason is an excuse why Male Viera Can't be put into the game. Im not looking to Limit the Viera in any shape.
And the FemRoe and Male Miqote situation have no baring on the Male Viera conversation. They are races that were made one way in 1,0, then updated and changed in 2.0 with the games revival and rework. The Viera are not in the same situation and come from another game.

Exactly point. The same you say about Hroth splashs to Viera. Not same feet, hands... The thing here is, both are inspired by, they are original as a race from this universe of FF, but not unique or new as Au Ra. Which is not a bad thing.
Even the scenario being the "same" it is not. Remember that thing of Shards and stuff? It is like another universe, a reflection. But evolution and events turns them different. (Edit: the name issue Hrothgar/Viis I think is more a copyright stand as much as this lil' diferences about them, so for future legal stuff they would claim "But it is not the same, it is a reference!")
Be glad that no one understands you. Genious and crazy people share that and both do the difference. If everyone here agreed with everything, the topic would have died long ago, we just squish you so we can understand your stance and because it does a good debate.
That is why what you post in other topics are worth researching, to get to know a piece of you. The Fem Hroth or the DPS that pulls... I am more a lurker than active forum user, and I stand with you. Sing your heart out, being of different opinion is way more worthy, you argue with base other than others than just spits things like "coz ErP" which are just flames to stir the heat...
What I will close this debate here for now is that you keep hitting your hammer on the Ivalician Male Viera Lore to be worked on from previous games, when they here would be another reflection. They do need to insert their coming out of the jungle, but there is not anything to work like a Hollywood movie upon that. In the end will follow the same "Hero Quest" classic, how it will be written or located in the World of FF is beyond all of us.

[battleshadow66]

No more races ever again. Considering the laziness put into them, would rather they just not put anymore resources into the idea.