DPS who pull mobs

[Corrupted]

Fair points and all, but sometimes you don't want to lengthen the run cause one dps decided to pull unnecessary mobs. It either ends in killing us all or we kill it and waste time for that sweet sweet 1k exp.
I've had that happen in Aurum Vale the other day, not even a sprout, some guy with his augmented law order bow, ran across from where I was tanking the two groups at the start and pulled everything nearly killing us.

I'd like to see this sort of behavior less, and if I can punish it, I will

[AnotherPerson]

No pulling mods ahead of the tank is griefing. You won't win that one with a GM. You can pretend to be big and bad though. We see this on forums all the time but it rarely happens in game.

The tank's job is 2 parts:
One is to hold aggro and the other is to reduce incoming damage to the party to make it easier for the healer to heal by flattening out the damage curve - may it be by mitigating damage or positioning yourself away from the party so they don't get hit by excess AoE and cleaves, or interrupting enemy casts.

If someone gets aggro and the tank is not taking that mob's aggro when they bring the mob to them, then they clearly failed their job as a tank and burdened their healer more since the healer now have to heal more party members, not to mention DPS and healers have lower defense values & HP values.

From the healer's perspective, the tank's griefing. Tanks have easy ways to take the aggro back since their tank stance generates far more aggro per hit than a DPS or healer would, so it would only be griefing if they purposely ignored the mobs after they were delivered to them because they would have to stop using their AoE skills to take that aggro back - and in which case, they are purposely doing single target attacks which means their overall DPS also drops - Again putting more pressure on the healer since all mobs are now dying at a slower pace with the chance that the DPS or healer can take aggro back since the tank stop generating aggro over the initial mobs. If the DPS ends up taking aggro back on all mobs, there's a high chance one of them will die, the healer will have to heal both targets - increasing their overall aggro generation and also makes them susceptible to taking damage via aggro too.

And all that damage is more difficult to mitigate since DPS and Healers aren't tanks with a lot of mitigation cooldowns. So yes, the tank has utterly failed their job and is griefing if they cannot hold aggro.

Now if the tank did hold aggro, used their mitigations properly, and still wiped? Then it's not the tank's fault. They held the aggro as much as they could. That's the fault of the person who pulled more. However, if the tank doesn't take aggro at all? That wipe is on the tank for not even trying. This is a very important distinction to make.

[Mykll]

flattening out the damage curve

This flattening the curve seems familiar from somewhere.

[Rinhi]

Considering I usually pull on a healer when the tank (often overgeared for the run as it is, and ignoring AoE-heavy classes in the group) refuses to pull more than boring baby packs.... yeah, I usually can. I will also heal a DPS pulling ahead more than I will the tank who refuses to take aggro from them because they're a child on a power trip.

Do your job and grow up. Tanking takes zero effort anymore and you have no excuse for being lazy.

I hope you're aware I'm only joking! :<

[Artemiz]

This thread is like watching moths head butting a light bulb, the people with any nuance left ages ago, now its 2 extremes who will never agree. From my perspective, you're both wrong. If you're a tank who commonly runs into the problem of DPS pulling for you, maybe you should speed up a bit. If you're a DPS who often thinks pulls should be bigger, play a tank on your roulette runs. If you think your hot stuff and everyone else sucks, do your runs in party finder or ask your FC. If you're so good people will trample over themselves to bask in you amazing elite radiance.

[Vahlnir]

This thread is like watching moths head butting a light bulb

lol

That's...pretty accurate at this point.

[Mykll]

This thread is like watching moths head butting a light bulb, the people with any nuance left ages ago, now its 2 extremes who will never agree. From my perspective, you're both wrong. If you're a tank who commonly runs into the problem of DPS pulling for you, maybe you should speed up a bit. If you're a DPS who often thinks pulls should be bigger, play a tank on your roulette runs. If you think your hot stuff and everyone else sucks, do your runs in party finder or ask your FC. If you're so good people will trample over themselves to bask in you amazing elite radiance.

You are obviously wrong because most people have light covers on their bulbs so they are never head butting the bulb. Like tanks it is the light bulb that is doing the agro control, getting their attention. Thankfully the healer is protecting and healing the tank like a light bulb cover, and just like flipping on the light switch the DPS has to pull things to the tank so the tank can get their attention.


Or something.


I think everyone here is wrong too.

[Vahlnir]

You are obviously wrong because most people have light covers on their bulbs so they are never head butting the bulb. Like tanks it is the light bulb that is doing the agro control, getting their attention. Thankfully the healer is protecting and healing the tank like a light bulb cover, and just like flipping on the light switch the DPS has to pull things to the tank so the tank can get their attention.


Or something.


I think everyone here is wrong too.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I hope you're aware I'm only joking! :<

Considering there are actually people - in this very thread, consistently! - who actually say and believe stuff like that... a little hard to tell when someone is joking if they aren't putting a /s or something to denote it.

Apologies though. Granted, I was using "you" as both a directed and a generalized "you", as the message stands regardless.